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    Re: Guantánamo leaks lift lid on world's most controversial prison

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    The Germans, through their top notch interrogator Hanns Scharff, showed us in WWII that the friendly method is the absolute best interrogation technique ... thats why treating them humanely will eventually get useful or in some cases, a life long source of information.

    A subject thats in a state of extreme fear or is experiencing great physical pain will do or say whatever is necessary to relieve the stress to a nominal point. Physical violence is one the hallmarks of an inept interrogator. It is very easy to conduct a break within a break with these types of Interrogators.

    Chain of Command knows this...its nothing new (assuming that you have enough time to work with someone, "nice" will work more effectively, more of the time than not nice)

    But theres always a giltch....there are those hardcore individuals who through training or committment will never respond to nice. They are a dedicated opponent. For those, you need to make a moral decision. Do you use extreme physical torture to possibly extract useful information? Or do you write them off and quietly execute them and move on?
    As we both seem to agree that torture is largely ineffective, why would there even be a choice? However, one of the reasons for rule of law is that we have a guide. We make a choice and put it down in law.

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    Re: Guantánamo leaks lift lid on world's most controversial prison

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    Show where in the U.S. Constitution these guys have any right to a trial, an attorney or any other protections; and produce any international law, treaty or convention to which we are signatories that gives them rights we are violating.

    If you can show me I'm wrong, I'll be the first to apologize.
    Well as ill quote deltabtry stated ill quote him
    The United States has not afforded these rights to none citizens (although it could if it so desired)in the past for examples:
    spies, Mexican Banditos(Pancho Villa), 1905 Pirates(and Prior), Saboteurs, Muslim revolutionaries 1890 Mindanao and many other through out campaigns here at home and abroad. Actually some where U.S. citizens, for one the civil war brought about a lot of summary executions both civilian and military. This list goes on..


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    Re: Guantánamo leaks lift lid on world's most controversial prison

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Rule of law and the constitution does not limit itself to one side of the equation.
    While a prisoner may not be citizens
    the worse kind of rationalizing
    1. dept chair, huh?

    2. eit's are not torture

    3. where's the prosecution of the cia?

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    Re: Guantánamo leaks lift lid on world's most controversial prison

    Lack of prosecution does not equal no law having been broken.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Guantánamo leaks lift lid on world's most controversial prison

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    The law does nto state who can be tortured. It says we cannot torture. It's not about the prisoner, but about the jailer. We cannot tortue no matter who the prisoner is. That's rule of law.

    rule of law and the constitution does not limit itself to one side of the equation. While a prisoner may not be citizens, the jjailers are. Their behavior is subject to US law and the consititution. To suggest that any group of people, no matter how evil their actions, are outside any rules for OUR conduct is the worse kind of rationalizing. How we behave is set down by rule of law and our Consititution.

    Now, certainly, at the end of they day, we will likely end up disagreeing. I don't doubt that.
    The constitution does not say we cannot torture non-citizens. The Geneva Convention does. That said, those we have captured, when guilty, are often violaters of the Geneva Convention in their own right. To-may-to, to-mah-to.
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    Re: Guantánamo leaks lift lid on world's most controversial prison

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    As we both seem to agree that torture is largely ineffective, why would there even be a choice? However, one of the reasons for rule of law is that we have a guide. We make a choice and put it down in law.
    Respectfully - Have you seen combat?

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    Re: Guantánamo leaks lift lid on world's most controversial prison

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    The constitution does not say we cannot torture non-citizens. The Geneva Convention does. That said, those we have captured, when guilty, are often violaters of the Geneva Convention in their own right. To-may-to, to-mah-to.
    So are you advocating that we the United States Of America, "the Shining light on a hill, the defender of freedom, protector of peace" (so we claim all these) torture people....


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    Re: Guantánamo leaks lift lid on world's most controversial prison

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    The constitution does not say we cannot torture non-citizens. The Geneva Convention does. That said, those we have captured, when guilty, are often violaters of the Geneva Convention in their own right. To-may-to, to-mah-to.
    Where in the constitution does it say we can torture anyone? US law says we can't torture. It does not say we cannot torture citzens. It does not say we can torture non citizens. In fact, in the past we did prosecute US soliders for waterboarding. It is the act that is illegal, and not who we do it to.

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    Re: Guantánamo leaks lift lid on world's most controversial prison

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    Respectfully - Have you seen combat?
    No. And I don't feel about that. But that doesn't change much, and there are plenty who have seen coombat who agree with me. In fact, ask your self how the secrets on Bush's efforts got out and made public. The military resisted this from the begining.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Guantánamo leaks lift lid on world's most controversial prison

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    So are you advocating that we the United States Of America, "the Shining light on a hill, the defender of freedom, protector of peace" (so we claim all these) torture people....
    No, what I'm saying is that the Constitution does not ban us from doing so.
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