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    Re: Guantánamo leaks lift lid on world's most controversial prison

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    I wonder if you would be this altruistic had one of them put a bullet in your mothers head or blew up your child's school.
    I would certainly let them have the right of law...
    Lots of what ifs....


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    Re: Guantánamo leaks lift lid on world's most controversial prison

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    I would certainly let them have the right of law...
    Lots of what ifs....
    What "right of law" would that be?
    The national security of the United States can never be left in the hands of liberals.

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    Re: Guantánamo leaks lift lid on world's most controversial prison

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    Constitutional rights extended (or not extended) to POWs, enemy combatants, or terrorists held at Gitmo: here
    And when has that ever happened before?
    The national security of the United States can never be left in the hands of liberals.

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    Re: Guantánamo leaks lift lid on world's most controversial prison

    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Mars View Post
    What "right of law" would that be?
    Same laws that are protected under the constitution and what US Citizens have.


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    Re: Guantánamo leaks lift lid on world's most controversial prison

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Same laws that are protected under the constitution and what US Citizens have.
    And when has that ever happened before?
    The national security of the United States can never be left in the hands of liberals.

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    Re: Guantánamo leaks lift lid on world's most controversial prison

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Same laws that are protected under the constitution and what US Citizens have.
    Show where in the U.S. Constitution these guys have any right to a trial, an attorney or any other protections; and produce any international law, treaty or convention to which we are signatories that gives them rights we are violating.

    If you can show me I'm wrong, I'll be the first to apologize.

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    Re: Guantánamo leaks lift lid on world's most controversial prison

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Same laws that are protected under the constitution and what US Citizens have.
    The United States has not afforded these rights to none citizens (although it could if it so desired)in the past for examples:
    spies, Mexican Banditos(Pancho Villa), 1905 Pirates(and Prior), Saboteurs, Muslim revolutionaries 1890 Mindanao and many other through out campaigns here at home and abroad. Actually some where U.S. citizens, for one the civil war brought about a lot of summary executions both civilian and military. This list goes on..

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    Re: Guantánamo leaks lift lid on world's most controversial prison

    Quote Originally Posted by Juiposa View Post
    This prison is no better than a Soviet Gulag. It hope for a swift closing of it.
    I was gonna let this *one* slide but Lord! There is no comparison between the Gulag Archipelago and the quasi-legal status that the current detainees face. It is an insult to the millions of innocents who died at the hands of fascism and communism to make that comparison.

    If all you disagree that we have been worse than our enemies, talk to Nick Berg, and the folks who were unfortunate enough to be riding planes out of a couple of northeastern US airports, and the unfortunate folks who were doing their thing in the Pentagon and World Trade Center

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    Re: Guantánamo leaks lift lid on world's most controversial prison

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    I would certainly let them have the right of law...
    Lots of what ifs....




    Meh, couch theory always seems more altruistic than reality.
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    Re: Guantánamo leaks lift lid on world's most controversial prison

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    How many times must I clarify that I understand your statement regarding a "rule of law". I just debate the definition and what is applicable under that very large umbrella.

    Also, I never said that any time was better than today. I did say that family obligation instead of government dependence is better than what we currently have. Again, that is my opinion.

    Lastly, I'm not stating anything to be fact, except where indicated. I am posting my opinions regarding topics that are little more than opinion and supposition already. Perhaps that is where you're getting frustrated, or why you feel the need to continually repeat yourself.

    Perhaps you're viewing your assertions as fact, when they are at best very vague opinions tucked in neatly around a generic turn of phrase that, on it's own, means absolutely nothing in context to anything.

    As I said before, I am more than willing to agree to disagree. I absolutely respect your opinions. I still vehemently disagree with them. And there isn't anything wrong with that.
    The law does nto state who can be tortured. It says we cannot torture. It's not about the prisoner, but about the jailer. We cannot tortue no matter who the prisoner is. That's rule of law.

    rule of law and the constitution does not limit itself to one side of the equation. While a prisoner may not be citizens, the jjailers are. Their behavior is subject to US law and the consititution. To suggest that any group of people, no matter how evil their actions, are outside any rules for OUR conduct is the worse kind of rationalizing. How we behave is set down by rule of law and our Consititution.

    Now, certainly, at the end of they day, we will likely end up disagreeing. I don't doubt that.

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