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    Re: IMF bombshell: Age of America nears end

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75
    What China regards itself as is irrelevant. The reality is that it is.
    China and the US are both dependent on the integrated global economy, of which they are both amongst the most influential. Saying one is dependent on the other is simply not true.
    "I do not claim that every incident in the history of empire can be explained in directly economic terms. Economic interests are filtered through a political process, policies are implemented by a complex state apparatus, and the whole system generates its own momentum."

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    Re: IMF bombshell: Age of America nears end

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    China and the US are both dependent on the integrated global economy, of which they are both amongst the most influential. Saying one is dependent on the other is simply not true.
    I don't see how these two ideas are mutually exclusive. They're the two biggest players in the global economy. To say that they AREN'T dependent on each other to some extent would be disingenous.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: IMF bombshell: Age of America nears end

    I don't see how these two ideas are mutually exclusive. They're the two biggest players in the global economy. To say that they AREN'T dependent on each other to some extent would be disingenous.
    Well sure, they're dependent on each other as well as every other country on earth.
    "I do not claim that every incident in the history of empire can be explained in directly economic terms. Economic interests are filtered through a political process, policies are implemented by a complex state apparatus, and the whole system generates its own momentum."

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    Re: IMF bombshell: Age of America nears end

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Yes
    No.

    Not that.

    Not the completely inane empty Negation Response!

    Oh, and how exactly is the US going to get its cheap goods then?
    Hint: LESS is more. The United States does not need plastic toys in Happy Meals, nor does it need Beanie Babies, Webkinz, or despot laden oil. It doesn't need welfare programs. "He that will not work shall not eat" must once again become our motto. Death to tyrants, and Don't tread on me!

    Americans need to rediscover who the hell they are. They're the greatest! They're Americans! They've allowed their neighbors to steal their freedom as well as their money. They've allowed morons in a bureaucracy tell them they can't drill their own damn oil becuase some stupid caribou would get warm or some mosquitoes won't get laid.

    The United States has the resources. We've got the oil. Our liberals are so stupid they wet their pants everytime anyone mentions poking a hole in the seabed to get it. We've got the best universities on the planet, they'll be even better when the liberals are kicked out and the schools start teaching reality again. What America puts it's mind to, it does, once it cleans the dead bugs off the windshield.

    That what America needs, friggin' vision. Tired old whiny socialists in the government are the reason the US is faltering, and the whiny socialists demand we get more socialism.

    What the US needs is a return to freedom, a Restoration of Innovation, a return to the time when a man kept what he earned, and what he didn't earn he didn't get. When America does that, the world is once again our road and we're driving the steam roller.

    That's the vision America needs.

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    Re: IMF bombshell: Age of America nears end

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    I don't see how these two ideas are mutually exclusive. They're the two biggest players in the global economy. To say that they AREN'T dependent on each other to some extent would be disingenous.
    that depends entirely on whether you see the world in mutually beneficial or zero-sum terms. Never underestimate China's nationalism - which replaced communism as the ideology of legitimacy. There are plenty of people in that leadership who would be happy to "lose less" than America and end up "on top".

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    Re: IMF bombshell: Age of America nears end

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    that depends entirely on whether you see the world in mutually beneficial or zero-sum terms. Never underestimate China's nationalism - which replaced communism as the ideology of legitimacy. There are plenty of people in that leadership who would be happy to "lose less" than America and end up "on top".
    My opinion? zero-sum makes no sense (unless you are some sort of extreme nationalist). Not if you look at the big picture.
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    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

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    Re: IMF bombshell: Age of America nears end

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    Not really...Great cultures rise and fall about every 400 years like clockwork. Read up....We're due.
    We didn't become the worlds largest economy until 1890 and didn't become a superpower until 1945. So aren't we due sometime between the year 2290-2345?

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    Re: IMF bombshell: Age of America nears end

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    IMF bombshell: Age of America nears end Brett Arends' ROI - MarketWatch



    There are big issues with this theory, no doubt. Most people in China live in abject poverty, and the divide between the haves and have-nots there is massive. The Chinese people in general aren't thinking much about taking over the planet; they're trying to eat.

    The ugly truth for China is that they are still completely dependent on the U.S. And in the end, he with the biggest bombs will forever rule the day. Some things never change.
    America has often been counted out.

    It was the same song during the first Carter Administration, now that we have the second and more inept Carter Administration, we have bigger problems.

    All we need is to elect responsible adults who will simply turn off the government spigot, reduce the burdens placed by government on the people and hand back responsibility to the states. Embrace individual rights... liberty. You know... follow The Constitution... that document 74% of high school students believe is the name of the next NFL expansion team.

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    Re: IMF bombshell: Age of America nears end

    Quote Originally Posted by Ocean City View Post
    We didn't become the worlds largest economy until 1890 and didn't become a superpower until 1945. So aren't we due sometime between the year 2290-2345?
    Read up on history.....READ not browse over it

    Historically speaking, America has had its shot. Civilizations tend to rise and fall about every 400 years. Columbus arrived here in 1492, so we're about due. I mentioned Columbus, which is interesting considering where Spain ended up 500 years later: ....Geopolitically irrelevant aka piss poor

    Now, lets get to the meat and potatoes....

    In the first place, democracy is doomed when the gen pop (you're included) figures out it can vote itself resources out of the national treasury. Allowing people whose only stake in the system is how much money they can extract from government programs to vote is one of our grandest ****ups. There's no feel good way to address that, therefore will be willfully ignored.

    You can also thank FDR's new deal, Johnson's great society, the counter culture of the 60's, the democratic congress of the Reagan era who quietly worked to structure the tax laws in such a way that more than half of our pop receives wealth distribution in the guise of tax "credits", the bigots who advocate "diversity" over "assimilation", thank single issue voters who would vote for Mister dumbass himself if he professed to be on the thier side of the (you pick) abortion, gun control, or health care issue, and most of all....oh, and thank every freaking liberal you've ever met who wishes our society was more "progressive" and quietly works to make it so.

    Obama's socialism will be the precipitating event that's likely to cause failure of our system, but there are plenty of other factors at work too. The increasingly bull**** litigious nature of our society is contributing to the problem by spinning a web of ****ed up rules and policies that are absurdly unworkable for the common John Doe.

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