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    Re: IMF bombshell: Age of America nears end

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    I don't think china regards itself as dependent on the US.
    What China regards itself as is irrelevant. The reality is that it is.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: IMF bombshell: Age of America nears end

    I saw this and read it and the first thought that came to mind is....THANK YOU CORPORATE AMERICA for taking a country with 2billion people that ate dog and cat and creating the worlds greatest economic power and soon to be super power all at the expense of fellow americans out of GREED.
    Anyone that tries to deny that our corporations did this out of greed is lieing to themselves

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    Re: IMF bombshell: Age of America nears end

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    I saw this and read it and the first thought that came to mind is....THANK YOU CORPORATE AMERICA for taking a country with 2billion people that ate dog and cat and creating the worlds greatest economic power and soon to be super power all at the expense of fellow americans out of GREED.
    Anyone that tries to deny that our corporations did this out of greed is lieing to themselves
    It's rare that I defend corporations, lpast, but what exactly does greed have to do with this?
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

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    Re: IMF bombshell: Age of America nears end

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    I saw this and read it and the first thought that came to mind is....THANK YOU CORPORATE AMERICA for taking a country with 2billion people that ate dog and cat and creating the worlds greatest economic power and soon to be super power all at the expense of fellow americans out of GREED.
    Anyone that tries to deny that our corporations did this out of greed is lieing to themselves
    I don't view the world as a zero-sum game. In other words, prosperity in the U.S. and China need not be mutually exclusive propositions. Technology, transportation, trade, etc., have made it possible for the underdeveloped/developing world to make meaningful progress in terms of economic development. That does not mean "game over" for the U.S. The choices present and future U.S. leaders will make will shape the American destiny. Attempts to preserve the status quo/avoid sacrifice, even as the nation faces major challenges and the world around it continues to change, could lead to a bad outcome. The courage and willingness to make the necessary sacrifices/take the necessary risks to overcome major challenges, as well as the foresight to make wise investments (education, key infrastructure, dealing with key factor challenges, etc.) to continue to push the frontiers of knowledge/technology, could lead to a bright outcome. Past generations have seen the U.S. take the latter course, but the wider lens of history has seen nations sometimes take the former one.

    Another pivotal moment is approaching. The choices today's and tomorrow's leaders make will determine whether the U.S. will embark an a path of renewal or whether it will suffer the kind of erosion in its strategic flexibility that raises the risk of decline.

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    Re: IMF bombshell: Age of America nears end

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    That doesn't necessarily mean anything.
    Having more people doesn't equate to having a more productive economy.
    Yes, it does and Pete is right

    The Chinese population outnumbers us what 5:1 - 6:1?? Their undocumented, i.e. unreported births, population is 300,000,000. That is equal to the entire US population. They could trade us casnualties one for one until there wasn't an American left, and it would bring their population down to their official level

    Let me put this way...Lets say... a million people starve to death in China because of a glitch in their economy, do you think they (the leaders) will really care when their population is 1,306,313,812 or whatever the *official number* is at the moment?

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    Re: IMF bombshell: Age of America nears end

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    As are your comments since you cant even think logically. Your partisan chest thumping Nationalism has blinded you to the truth. Population DOES matter when you talk TOTAL GDP which is what we are. So suck up and admit you are wrong.

    As for "vast natural resources" comment just shows how little you actually know. You do know that China imports a lot of natural resources right? China's "natural resources" have been exploited for 5000+ years, where as the American resources have only for 200 years. Who do you think has more now? Not my fault or that of China's that you dont have the political will or technical ability to exploit your own resources safely and economically.
    This is what you said,

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    This is a stupid discussion. Of COURSE China will pass the US.. India will too!.. they have 3x+ the amount of people living there for peak sake!
    To which I respond, that it is immaterial because even if they had 100 million people, if there economy produces more, has more direct foreign investment, they could still pass beyond us, regardless of their population.

    They have tons of natural resources.
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    Re: IMF bombshell: Age of America nears end

    We have plenty of people in this country. We don't even employ all the people that are able. We have too many strap-hangers that are not pursuing happiness, and too few people that understand how this country should be operating. We have a Constitution that is the envy of the world, and a republican government that has lasted longer than any other. This country has done more, prospered more, had more people at a better living standard in 300 years than any other country in history. The system works, as long as we adhere to the fundamental rules and principles.
    "He who does not think himself worth saving from poverty and ignorance by his own efforts, will hardly be thought worth the efforts of anybody else." -- Frederick Douglass, Self-Made Men (1872)
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    Re: IMF bombshell: Age of America nears end

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    What China regards itself as is irrelevant. The reality is that it is.
    China isn't proving that communism works, they're proving that our system works. The only thing that China has not accomplished in a modern sense, is being original. They do a damn good job at stealing, copying and plagiarizing. What they need now is to develop a culture of being original, like American have done.
    "He who does not think himself worth saving from poverty and ignorance by his own efforts, will hardly be thought worth the efforts of anybody else." -- Frederick Douglass, Self-Made Men (1872)
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    Re: IMF bombshell: Age of America nears end

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    China isn't proving that communism works, they're proving that our system works. The only thing that China has not accomplished in a modern sense, is being original. They do a damn good job at stealing, copying and plagiarizing. What they need now is to develop a culture of being original, like American have done.
    In terms of economics, I'm inclined to agree with you.

    In terms of culture? Chinese culture was around long before American culture. Just sayin'
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

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    Re: IMF bombshell: Age of America nears end

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    We have plenty of people in this country. We don't even employ all the people that are able. We have too many strap-hangers that are not pursuing happiness, and too few people that understand how this country should be operating. We have a Constitution that is the envy of the world, and a republican government that has lasted longer than any other. This country has done more, prospered more, had more people at a better living standard in 300 years than any other country in history. The system works, as long as we adhere to the fundamental rules and principles.
    True, but looking at history, nations start out young, small and energetic. They either expand and conquer the nations around them through military conquest, immigration and assimilation, or merger, or suffer that same fate. As a nation ages, it eventually slows. It may grow rich and bloated, or slow and weak. Eventually, a younger, stronger nation will succeed in supplanting it.

    At some point, a government consider's it's survival and power to be of greater importance than that of its citizen's or subjects

    Enter China. China is old, but the People's Republic of China is not. Today, China is full of proof that the lives of their citizens are not important to the government and when they decide to tackle the US, the economic disruption and deaths will be considered acceptable, a cost of doing business.

    Make no mistake, the Chinese gov is evil, cold and heartless

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