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    Derek Fenton, Koran-burning transit worker fired from his job after Ground Zero prote

    This should piss off those who think we should toss the salad of terrorists and extremists.

    This is not the defense of some anti-Muslim bigot, this is the defense of free speech and not once have I spoke out against the ground zero mosque. I figured I had better bring that up before some retard suggest that this is a defense of a anti-Muslim bigot.


    Derek Fenton, Koran-burning transit worker fired from his job after Ground Zero protest, re-hired
    Derek Fenton, Koran-burning transit worker fired from his job after Ground Zero protest, re-hired

    A Koran-burning New Jersey Transit worker, fired for his protest near Ground Zero last Sept. 11, is getting his job back - along with an extra $25,000 for his troubles.

    Derek Fenton, 40, will also collect back pay since his Sept. 13, 2010, dismissal for torching pages of the Muslim holy book on the site of a proposed lower Manhattan Islamic center.

    The deal additionally pays Fenton $25,000 for pain and suffering and restores his pension credits.

    "I feel relieved I have a job," Fenton told the Daily News yesterday from his Bloomingdale, N.J. home.

    Earlier, the 11-year NJ Transit employee released a defiant statement.

    "Our government cannot pick and choose whose free speech rights are protected, based on whether or not they approve of the context of our statements or actions," Fenton said.

    "This is the very essence of the First Amendment."

    Fenton, a train conductor, will return to work next week if he completes a physical and a drug test on Monday, said Deborah Jacobs, New Jersey executive director of the American Civil Liberties Union.

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    Re: Derek Fenton, Koran-burning transit worker fired from his job after Ground Zero p

    It's good he got his job back. I've never supported employers (public or private) that try to regulate completely legal actions that you take in your private time by threatening to fire you if you do them.
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    Re: Derek Fenton, Koran-burning transit worker fired from his job after Ground Zero p

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    It's good he got his job back. I've never supported employers (public or private) that try to regulate completely legal actions that you take in your private time by threatening to fire you if you do them.
    With public employment, certainly. I'm not sure I really agree with private employers, though, at least not in all cases. For example, if I spend my private time running IhateBestBuy.com, I can see why Best Buy has a pretty good case for firing me
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Derek Fenton, Koran-burning transit worker fired from his job after Ground Zero p

    I'm with Deuce on this one, if it's a public employer they have no right to do such a thing (unless you're in the military). I think private employers are a different story.
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    I like how the right clamors to defend these Islamophobes and Koran burners right to free speech, but not the free speech or religion of Muslims wanting to worship in America.

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    Re: Derek Fenton, Koran-burning transit worker fired from his job after Ground Zero p

    The settlement:

    http://www.aclu-nj.org/downloads/Fen...mentSigned.pdf

    I wish they hadn't settled. I'd rather it had been ruled on. I don't think the courts have been 100% clear on it.

    Good for him, though.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Derek Fenton, Koran-burning transit worker fired from his job after Ground Zero p

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    The settlement:

    http://www.aclu-nj.org/downloads/Fen...mentSigned.pdf

    I wish they hadn't settled. I'd rather it had been ruled on. I don't think the courts have been 100% clear on it.

    Good for him, though.
    Settlements are so common because they save everyone time and money, and the judge doesn't have to go out on a limb and actually, you know, decide something. It's win-win-win! Isn't our system grand?
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Derek Fenton, Koran-burning transit worker fired from his job after Ground Zero p

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Settlements are so common because they save everyone time and money, and the judge doesn't have to go out on a limb and actually, you know, decide something. It's win-win-win! Isn't our system grand?
    It was a civil suit. I support the right of litigants to reach settlements as it suits them.
    But personally, I would have liked to see how it would have shaken out.
    I may be wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    I like how the right clamors to defend these Islamophobes and Koran burners right to free speech,
    I love how the left claims to care about constitutional rights but pisses all over the 2nd amendment and I love how the left clamors to defend flag burners right to right to free speech but not the free speech of the Koran burners,conservative speakers at universities and military recruiters.


    but not the free speech or religion of Muslims wanting to worship in America.
    I have no problem with Muslims wanting to practice their free speech or worship in America.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

    Cicero Marcus Tullius

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    Re: Derek Fenton, Koran-burning transit worker fired from his job after Ground Zero p

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    This should piss off those who think we should toss the salad of terrorists and extremists.

    This is not the defense of some anti-Muslim bigot, this is the defense of free speech and not once have I spoke out against the ground zero mosque. I figured I had better bring that up before some retard suggest that this is a defense of a anti-Muslim bigot.

    Derek Fenton, Koran-burning transit worker fired from his job after Ground Zero protest, re-hired
    Derek Fenton, Koran-burning transit worker fired from his job after Ground Zero protest, re-hired

    A Koran-burning New Jersey Transit worker, fired for his protest near Ground Zero last Sept. 11, is getting his job back - along with an extra $25,000 for his troubles.

    Derek Fenton, 40, will also collect back pay since his Sept. 13, 2010, dismissal for torching pages of the Muslim holy book on the site of a proposed lower Manhattan Islamic center.

    The deal additionally pays Fenton $25,000 for pain and suffering and restores his pension credits.

    "I feel relieved I have a job," Fenton told the Daily News yesterday from his Bloomingdale, N.J. home.

    Earlier, the 11-year NJ Transit employee released a defiant statement.

    "Our government cannot pick and choose whose free speech rights are protected, based on whether or not they approve of the context of our statements or actions," Fenton said.

    "This is the very essence of the First Amendment."

    Fenton, a train conductor, will return to work next week if he completes a physical and a drug test on Monday, said Deborah Jacobs, New Jersey executive director of the American Civil Liberties Union.

    Read more: Derek Fenton, Koran-burning transit worker fired from his job after Ground Zero protest, re-hired
    I'd be firing the idiot who fired him for costing taxpayers his paid vacation since 9/11/10 and the $25,000 in pain and suffering. That "little mistake" probably cost taxpayers $50,000 or $60,000. When will we begin holding responsible those people who are causing such a gross waste of taxpayer dollars??
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