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    Re: Officials: Illegal Immigrant Became a Cop in Alaska

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    Re: Officials: Illegal Immigrant Became a Cop in Alaska

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    I think people are more than their crimes and that crimes should be viewed individually rather than just as "felonies". He's been here since the 1980s and by all accounts was a well-respected, effective officer. He broke one law in the 1980s that didn't directly affect our safety. On the contrary, he protected citizens.
    This is a fantastic precedent to set... Here's a set of laws to uphold. You don't necessarily have to abide by them yourself, as long as you promise to be a good person, we'll let you slide on a few technicalities here and there. You know, don't worry about petty, insignificant crimes like identity theft.

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    Re: Officials: Illegal Immigrant Became a Cop in Alaska

    Quote Originally Posted by Hand View Post
    This is a fantastic precedent to set... Here's a set of laws to uphold. You don't necessarily have to abide by them yourself, as long as you promise to be a good person, we'll let you slide on a few technicalities here and there. You know, don't worry about petty, insignificant crimes like identity theft.
    This comment would be relevant if I hadn't said that he should be charged for identity theft. You lose.

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    Re: Officials: Illegal Immigrant Became a Cop in Alaska

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    This comment would be relevant if I hadn't said that he should be charged for identity theft. You lose.
    I lose? What are you, seven? You've been spouting about this man's character and contributions to society for the entire thread. It's relevant.

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    Re: Officials: Illegal Immigrant Became a Cop in Alaska

    Quote Originally Posted by Hand View Post
    I lose? What are you, seven? You've been spouting about this man's character and contributions to society for the entire thread. It's relevant.
    Yeah, I'm seven which makes your nonsense even more embarrassing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hand View Post
    This is a fantastic precedent to set... Here's a set of laws to uphold. You don't necessarily have to abide by them yourself, as long as you promise to be a good person, we'll let you slide on a few technicalities here and there. You know, don't worry about petty, insignificant crimes like identity theft.
    I have said multiple times that he should be tried for his crimes so your comment is completely, utterly, irrefutably irrelevant because you're implying that I said we should not worry about "insignificant crimes like identity theft." Like I said, too bad I said he should be tried for his crimes. I win.

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    Re: Officials: Illegal Immigrant Became a Cop in Alaska

    "I think people are more than their crimes and that crimes should be viewed individually rather than just as "felonies". He's been here since the 1980s and by all accounts was a well-respected, effective officer. He broke one law in the 1980s that didn't directly affect our safety. On the contrary, he protected citizens."

    What does it matter how long he's been here? Who cares if he's well respected? You're implying that if the crime were more serious - which also implies that you know better than lawmakers - this would be important, but since it's just identity theft, we should look at the man. Not throwing the book at this guy is a bad precedent to set. He didn't steal an identity and become a florist; he stole an identity and became a cop. Who cares if he became a good cop - he's a felon.

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    Re: Officials: Illegal Immigrant Became a Cop in Alaska

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Liberal spirit? Conservative spirit? It all depends on the criminals, and who they support. Liberals would support an illegal alien. Conservatives would support Ken Lay. It's all about perspective. But, honestly, I am not going to stand by what I just posted, since putting labels on everybody and everything shows only partisan hackery, and little, if any, knowledge of reality.
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    Re: Officials: Illegal Immigrant Became a Cop in Alaska

    Quote Originally Posted by Hand View Post
    What does it matter how long he's been here? Who cares if he's well respected?
    Because people are more than their crimes.

    You're implying that if the crime were more serious. - which also implies that you know better than lawmakers.
    I consider murder more serious than identity theft. Lawmakers do to.

    - this would be important, but since it's just identity theft, we should look at the man.
    We should always look at the man. People are more than their crimes - that's why crimes of passion are tried differently from premeditated murders.

    Not throwing the book at this guy is a bad precedent to set. He didn't steal an identity and become a florist; he stole an identity and became a cop. Who cares if he became a good cop - he's a felon.
    Are you illiterate? I keep telling you that I said he should be tried for his crime - i.e. "the book should be thrown at him". Why do keep posting the same irrelevant comment over and over again?

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    Re: Officials: Illegal Immigrant Became a Cop in Alaska

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Because people are more than their crimes.


    I consider murder more serious than identity theft. Lawmakers do to.


    We should always look at the man. People are more than their crimes - that's why crimes of passion are tried differently from premeditated murders.


    Are you illiterate? I keep telling you that I said he should be tried for his crime - i.e. "the book should be thrown at him". Why do keep posting the same irrelevant comment over and over again?
    People are more than their crimes? Not in a court of law they shouldn't be. And those of us who choose to uphold the law should be held to a higher standard when they break it. If you believe he should be tried for his crime, what are you arguing for? Leniency?

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    Re: Officials: Illegal Immigrant Became a Cop in Alaska

    Quote Originally Posted by Hand View Post
    People are more than their crimes? Not in a court of law they shouldn't be.
    Exactly, which is why in a court of law he would be tried with identity theft. Although people are more than their crimes there which is why, as I said earlier, murders of passion are tried different from premeditated murders.

    And those of us who choose to uphold the law should be held to a higher standard when they break it.
    Oh, so you agree then that people are more than their crimes.

    If you believe he should be tried for his crime, what are you arguing for? Leniency?
    I'm arguing he should be tried for identity theft and then given a path to citizenship after he serves his time.

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