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    Re: McCain in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    I think it's funny that Michelle Bachmann and other Teabaggers are criticizing Obama for supporting the Libyan rebels because some of them may come from Muslim extremist groups and so may come to power after the rebellion but now I wonder if they will criticize McCain for giving his support for the rebels as well.
    YOU would think this is all funny. You can't believe people that think something like this is funny. We have no business in Libya, no national interest.
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    Re: McCain in Libya

    Ill be the bad guy here The problem with libya and Syria and venezuela is the law written in 1976 that the US cannot exterminate single target vermin, like Khadafi. Whats better ? exterminating ONE GUY Khadafi...or sending in planes that kill thousands...we need to change that law.

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    Re: McCain in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    YOU would think this is all funny. You can't believe people that think something like this is funny. We have no business in Libya, no national interest.
    Well back to the original question. You, American, are one of the people I was curious to hear from. You would have prefered a different outcome in the Presidential election, right? Yet, it appears that had McCain won, he would have made largely the same choice that Obama has to get involved in Libya.

    Does it disappoint you (as it does me) that we would be involved in this escapade regardless of the outcome of the election in 2008?

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    Re: McCain pushes heavier U.S. involvement in Libya(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    McCain pushes heavier U.S. involvement in Libya - CNN.com

    So John McCain went to Libya, and not only supports what we are doing, but thinks we should be doing more.

    Now, I don't like our involvement there. I'm disappointed with Obama's actions in Libya.

    I find it interesting that no matter who had won the Presidential election in 2008, our involvement in Libya would not have changed. I'm interested to hear from those who would have preferred a different outcome to the election and have been critical of Obama on this issue. Are you disappointed that McCain's policy would have been pretty close to Obamas?
    I don't oppose how involvement in Libya. However, I oppose how we are involved in Libya. Launching a few air strikes and sending a few bandaids and PRC-77's isn't going to accomplish a damn thing. If we're not going in there for a good old fashion beat down of Qadaffi, then we're not doing anything but wasting time and money.

    McCain wants to give them weapons; so what? They don't have a clue what to do with those weapons, which means it's yet another step in the direction of wasting our time and money.

    This is nothing more than a replay of The Balkans and Somalia.

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    Re: McCain pushes heavier U.S. involvement in Libya(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by Opteron View Post

    Let me add, tribal is probably more like Afghanistan and rural Pakistan areas. I think Libya has more educated people than those areas, I think.
    Opteron - The people are tribal, but the borders weren't drawn up with the tribes in mind, so there are tribes with members on both sides of every border.

    There is a lot of blame to be laid at the hands of British and French politicians who carved up the Middle East after WWI. Their arbitrary creation of borders and nations has been the basis for a lot of the conflict since then. If they had done the slightest bit of research or homework and determined tribal and religious groupings and divided the Ottoman Empire in that fashion, there might have been some hope for stability.

    There should have been a Kurdistan composed of the Kurdish regions in Iraq, Iran, Turkey and Syria. Iraq should have been just Shiite Iraq in the south. Sunni Iraq should have been a separate nation or possibly part of Sunni Jordan or Syria.

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    Re: McCain pushes heavier U.S. involvement in Libya(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    the reality that the anti-Gadhafi forces do not enjoy the broad-based support of Libya's people and tribes. It is a narrow regional uprising with national aspirations, not a nationwide uprising. Many Libyans continue to oppose the rebels.
    This is debatable. There were mass protests throughout all of Libya, including demonstrations in Tripoli, that were brutally put down by the Libyan army. The line today may read "Misrata is the only rebel city in the west" but when the siege began it was the "last rebel held city in the west."

    To the original point, I am wholly in favor of the current action being taken to protect civilians. For the first time I can remember I was glad that Nato intervened to save Benghazi, indeed perform a military mission that was actually popular among the people it was protecting as well as much of the middle east.

    I think too much is being stated about US involvement here, especially on the right. As long as there are no combat troops whatsoever I have no issue with a couple of predators flying over Libya to maintain air superiority and be there waiting and watching if and when a ceasefire is enacted.
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    Re: McCain pushes heavier U.S. involvement in Libya(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    McCain pushes heavier U.S. involvement in Libya - CNN.com

    So John McCain went to Libya, and not only supports what we are doing, but thinks we should be doing more.

    Now, I don't like our involvement there. I'm disappointed with Obama's actions in Libya.

    I find it interesting that no matter who had won the Presidential election in 2008, our involvement in Libya would not have changed. I'm interested to hear from those who would have preferred a different outcome to the election and have been critical of Obama on this issue. Are you disappointed that McCain's policy would have been pretty close to Obamas?
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    Re: McCain pushes heavier U.S. involvement in Libya(edited)

    American politicians and political foreign policy is still heavily rooted in Wilsonianism.
    The spreading of democracy by the sword.
    Or the protection of tens of thousands of non-combatants using highly superior air power.

    I don't know if you know this, but swords aren't being used in this operation.
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    Re: McCain pushes heavier U.S. involvement in Libya(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by Joby View Post
    Or the protection of tens of thousands of non-combatants using highly superior air power.

    I don't know if you know this, but swords aren't being used in this operation.
    Yea I'm keenly aware of that, makes do difference though.
    It doesn't make it right, to interfere in the relations of other people.
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    Re: McCain pushes heavier U.S. involvement in Libya(edited)

    It doesn't make it right, to interfere in the relations of other people.
    Breaking this down into a right and wrong battle isn't progressive in my opinion.

    Assuming it's not right to intervene in the relations of others, and assuming it's not right to massacre thousands of civilians, this puts us in a moral conundrum in matters of one wrong (intervention) and another (genocide/massacre).

    I, for one, choose what I see as the lesser wrong in this situation and have no issue with unmanned predator drones, for example, being used to prevent the greater wrong.
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