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    Re: Wichita Judge fails to issue Preliminary Injunction against Anti-Abortion Activis

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    Read the letter and please post for me the area's that you consider the direct threat conveyed please.


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    Jeez, the part where he "warns" her she might have a bomb under her car one day?
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    Re: Wichita Judge fails to issue Preliminary Injunction against Anti-Abortion Activis

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    No you wouldn’t. If the courts consistently did that you would have been arrested for the opinion you just expressed.

    Don’t take your freedoms lightly. DR. Means obviously wasn’t in any real danger. Your first amendment rights are however (if you are an American that is).
    Who specifically did I "warn" about a bomb again? Or who specifically did I intimidate with violence?

    It's not "obvious" to some of us that she's not in any real danger. Coming from a state where Dr Tiller was killed for performing abortion and getting a letter from an admirer of the killer because you are training to perform the same job is in my book a threat.
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    Re: Wichita Judge fails to issue Preliminary Injunction against Anti-Abortion Activis

    As powerful as the First Amendment is, there is no absolute right to free speech. Should this bomb threat be treated as if it was a terrorist threat?
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    Re: Wichita Judge fails to issue Preliminary Injunction against Anti-Abortion Activis

    Your rights end where your threat to another person's right to life and property begins. It's why robbing somebody else's home isn't "free speech."

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    Re: Wichita Judge fails to issue Preliminary Injunction against Anti-Abortion Activis

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    The court decided that it wasn’t a direct threat. It sounded like the jerk who wrote it seriously pushed that envelope but I would rather see the courts err on the side of free speech for obvious reasons.
    The court did not decide it wasn't a direct threat, rather that it was not a true threat, which is vastly different. Watts and Virginia establish and define a true threat as speech that communicates a serious intent to harm another individual, which causes the listener to fear imminent injury.

    The intent is obvious, despite the ambiguity. "Because maybe today is the day someone places an explosive under it...We will not let this abomination continue without doing everything we can to stop it." She does not have to nececssarily say I'm going to do this act on Tuesday.

    As for the second part, cause the listener to fear imminent injury...Dr. Means took over after his predecessor was shot to death by a man this lady has been talking to for some time. There is a lot of polarized sentiment in the area. Yeah, passes this part of the test too.

    Ergo, this speech is obviously unprotected speech, according to the Supreme Court.
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    Re: Wichita Judge fails to issue Preliminary Injunction against Anti-Abortion Activis

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    No you wouldn’t. If the courts consistently did that you would have been arrested for the opinion you just expressed.
    This statement is so wrong its funny

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    DR. Means obviously wasn't in any real danger. Your first amendment rights are however (if you are an American that is).
    To see whether he was in any real danger, you have to look at the context. His predecessor was shot to death. He received a letter from a lady who has been talking to his predecessor's killer. That right there is enough to make your argument look ridiculous, because it really is ridiculous. Furthermore, the true threat test depends on whether Dr. Means felt he was in danger. Furthermore, according to Chaplinsky v. State of New Hampshire, if speech has minimal social value and tends to incite breach of the peace, it is also unprotected. This speech had no social value, and had enough passion-filled rhetoric in it that it could incite others to breach the peace.

    So, a total of 3 Supreme Court holdings declare this speech unprotected, and I'm just getting started.
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    Re: Wichita Judge fails to issue Preliminary Injunction against Anti-Abortion Activis

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    The court decided that it wasn’t a direct threat. It sounded like the jerk who wrote it seriously pushed that envelope but I would rather see the courts err on the side of free speech for obvious reasons.
    I can buy that.
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    Re: Wichita Judge fails to issue Preliminary Injunction against Anti-Abortion Activis

    It is clear to me that there are laws against making threats by various means and to threaten someone for their involvement in legal activity.

    I have made it clear that I am am not a pro-abortion type or close to it.

    However I am also not totally anti-abortion either.

    I am anti-abortion for birth control.

    I believe in this day and age we should be doing much better at education than was the case when I was in high school, and I tell you way back in what my grandchildren call the old days we knew about birth control, and the options were very limited compared to today.

    If think you your Grandmother and all the young women of her day were all virgins, get a grip. They were just as active sexually as teenagers are today.

    The difference was there was a stigma attached to unmarried mothers of any age.

    Are you aware that there was a time over 2,000 years ago that unmarried births in some parts of the world were referred to as Virgin Births?

    Have you ever heard that term before? Read what you will into it.

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    Re: Wichita Judge fails to issue Preliminary Injunction against Anti-Abortion Activis

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue Dog View Post
    As powerful as the First Amendment is, there is no absolute right to free speech. Should this bomb threat be treated as if it was a terrorist threat?
    Terrorism is ok if it's coming from a side I agree with!!!!!
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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