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    Re: Labor Board Tells Boeing New Factory Breaks Law

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    public union membership has been growing in the past few years
    No, you are wrong:





    ah yes. evil right wingers always dismantling unions. just like Hitler.

    i don't see the left wingers signing on to the movement, do you?

    other famous rightwingeres who forcibly dismantled their unions, of course, include Lenin and Mao..... all three of them making the exact same argument that since "unions were now part of the government" they were unneeded.
    And you find this admirable?



    no, what brought Nazi Germany to power was facing off against unwilling and internally weak opponents who were unable to cope with her developments in Maneuver warfare.
    Are you talking about the people that did not protest when their unions were being dismantled?
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    Re: Labor Board Tells Boeing New Factory Breaks Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    No, you are wrong:

    no i am right because your chart only accounts for one year.

    public union members are now a majority of union members and they have been growing over the past decade:



    i don't see the left wingers signing on to the movement, do you?

    And you find this admirable?
    no, i find it indicative that the godwining of the public union issue by the left is utter mindless bunk.

    Are you talking about the people that did not protest when their unions were being dismantled?
    no, i am talking about what allowed Nazi Germany to move from a relatively weak and fractured nation to an empire spanning Europe.
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    Re: Labor Board Tells Boeing New Factory Breaks Law

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    no i am right because your chart only accounts for one year.

    public union members are now a majority of union members and they have been growing over the past decade:





    no, i find it indicative that the godwining of the public union issue by the left is utter mindless bunk.



    no, i am talking about what allowed Nazi Germany to move from a relatively weak and fractured nation to an empire spanning Europe.
    Your sourceless chart is a projection, mine was from actual data up through 2010, and was prepared by the conservative Heritage Foundation for which there was a link provided. You know in order prevent copyright infringement, you are required to post a link to the site you copy items from.

    Just sayin.................. Hate to see you get into trouble with this practice of yours.
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    Re: Labor Board Tells Boeing New Factory Breaks Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Your sourceless chart is a projection
    actually, you may have noticed how there is a little thing at the bottom that says "Source: BLS"

    mine was from actual data up through 2010
    yours was from 2009 to 2010, and mine is from a decade.

    the fact is that the number of unionized public employees has been climbing for the past several years - for example, the past 10. your point that it slid by less than 2% in 2010 nonwithstanding.

    Just sayin.................. Hate to see you get into trouble with this practice of yours.
    just saying... you may want to start factchecking yourself before you make claims on here.

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    Re: Labor Board Tells Boeing New Factory Breaks Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    sure you give them the same freedom to contribute and then end their rights to bargain collectively. During the last election, of the big money donors, all but the unions donated to the GOP. Now remove the unions from the picture and what do you get? All the big money donors are for one party. I don't think I will be as fond of one party rule as you seem content to be.

    As I said before, we abandon unions and worker's rights at our own peril.
    So what you're saying is that the unions donated a billion bucks to Obama's re-election campaign already?

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    Re: Labor Board Tells Boeing New Factory Breaks Law

    Catawba.

    You lose.

    You're drawing comparisons to Nazi Germany, and thus invoking Godwin's law.

    Not to mention the fact that your comparisons are flat wrong, anyway, as is your historical perspective, but that's typical of people who frantically invoke the Nazis because they have nothing left to shoot.

    Here's a clue:

    "Collective bargaining" is a privelege legislated by state governments. If the state legislature decides that collective bargaining does not serve the interest of the people the legislature was elected to serve...ALL the friggin' people in the state, not just the thuggish unions...then the legislature is morally obligated to end the collective bargaining procedure.

    Also, there's absolutely no reason goverment jobs must come encumbered with union membership. Not one. If a state employee wishes to join a union, let him. If state employee wishes to stay out of the union, that too his his RIGHT under the First Amendment.

    In either case, under no circumstance should the state ever be the dues collector for the union. The union should expect its memmbers to donate their dues voluntarily or be dismissed from the union and whatever dubious benefits the union provides.

    You ever hear any rumors that the United States used to be a free country?

    Well, it will be freer when employees have the freedom to choose.

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    Re: Labor Board Tells Boeing New Factory Breaks Law

    What is their freedom of association worth if when they choose unions, they are banned from doing so?

    Boeing are breaking the law. Suck it up.
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    Re: Labor Board Tells Boeing New Factory Breaks Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Your sourceless chart is a projection, mine was from actual data up through 2010, and was prepared by the conservative Heritage Foundation for which there was a link provided. You know in order prevent copyright infringement, you are required to post a link to the site you copy items from.

    Just sayin.................. Hate to see you get into trouble with this practice of yours.
    then complain to a mod instead of whining in here.

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    Re: Labor Board Tells Boeing New Factory Breaks Law

    Unions rights... unions rights... blah ****ing blah.

    Corporations don't have a right to build a plant where they want? They have to build where unions tell them? Hire who unions tell them? Pay what unions tell them?

    Two words.

    **** that.

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    Re: Labor Board Tells Boeing New Factory Breaks Law

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    actually, you may have noticed how there is a little thing at the bottom that says "Source: BLS"



    yours was from 2009 to 2010, and mine is from a decade.

    the fact is that the number of unionized public employees has been climbing for the past several years - for example, the past 10. your point that it slid by less than 2% in 2010 nonwithstanding.



    just saying... you may want to start factchecking yourself before you make claims on here.


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