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    Re: Labor Board Tells Boeing New Factory Breaks Law

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    Business has never agreed with being unionized. That's the point of unions. If unions and business agreed there would be no point to having unions.
    Has nothing to do with agreement. If the unions cost so much that moving to another state is more cost effective, then the company has the right to move to another state. The union should have asked for less, considering the economy.

    This isn't Russia, is it? Is it? I fully support unions, but what I see here is a different kind of union - A Soviet Union reborn.
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    Re: Labor Board Tells Boeing New Factory Breaks Law

    Who will we blame for our problems when all the unions are gone?


    The Decline of Unions, Part One: President Jimmy Carter, Union-Buster Extraordinaire | RedState

    And what will that mean regarding a balance of funding between corporate and unions for political candidates, especially in light of the passage of Citizen's United?
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    Re: Labor Board Tells Boeing New Factory Breaks Law

    Quote Originally Posted by DontDoIt View Post
    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/21/bu.../21boeing.html



    Maybe one day some of the pro-union lovers including the president will realize that more and more businesses don't agree with being unionized.

    Thoughts?

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    Re: Labor Board Tells Boeing New Factory Breaks Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Who will we blame for our problems when all the unions are gone?
    they certainly aren't responsible for all our economic problems. just some of them.

    yup. as unions either fail to produce, or strangle the busineses that they leach onto, they have dropped in membership.

    except, of course, in the public sphere; where they are growing rapidly. you can always screw over the taxpayers for a few more dollars, the management is more easily bought off, and nobody has to worry about producing a quality product or maintaining the bottom line.

    And what will that mean regarding a balance of funding between corporate and unions for political candidates, especially in light of the passage of Citizen's United?
    given that Citizens United gave unions the same freedoms as it did corporations, and given that unions spend way more dough on electioneering than corporations do, i'd have to say advantage; unions - particularly public ones.

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    Re: Labor Board Tells Boeing New Factory Breaks Law

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    given that Citizens United gave unions the same freedoms as it did corporations, and given that unions spend way more dough on electioneering than corporations do, i'd have to say advantage; unions - particularly public ones.
    sure you give them the same freedom to contribute and then end their rights to bargain collectively. During the last election, of the big money donors, all but the unions donated to the GOP. Now remove the unions from the picture and what do you get? All the big money donors are for one party. I don't think I will be as fond of one party rule as you seem content to be.

    As I said before, we abandon unions and worker's rights at our own peril.
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    Re: Labor Board Tells Boeing New Factory Breaks Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    sure you give them the same freedom to contribute and then end their rights to bargain collectively.
    i'm not sure what this is suposed to mean. the Supreme Court Decision had nothing to do with whether or not the Federal Government (and 26 or so State governments) should continue to not collectively bargain with their employees.

    During the last election, of the big money donors, all but the unions donated to the GOP
    during the last election cycle, the big money donors were the unions. and it has been that way for some time.

    As I said before, we abandon unions and worker's rights at our own peril.
    yes. we will be at risk of having more effecient but less costly government. perish the thought.

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    Re: Labor Board Tells Boeing New Factory Breaks Law

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    i'm not sure what this is suposed to mean. the Supreme Court Decision had nothing to do with whether or not the Federal Government (and 26 or so State governments) should continue to not collectively bargain with their employees.
    I never said the supreme court was busting unions. I said that given the passage of Citizens United with the GOP union busting that soon their will only be Corporations as the big doners. And all of the big money corporate donors were for the GOP in the last election.


    during the last election cycle, the big money donors were the unions. and it has been that way for some time.
    Your link there shows, if you add up the amounts from the top ten big doners, it was about evenly split between the Unions and Corporations, Now remove the spending limitations to Corporations just passed by the SC and remove unions from the picture, thanks to the GOP Governors and what do you end up with? One party rule.



    yes. we will be at risk of having more effecient but less costly government. perish the thought.

    Perhaps it is my German ancestory, but I do not think one party rule is as good a thing as you think it is.
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    Re: Labor Board Tells Boeing New Factory Breaks Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I never said the supreme court was busting unions. I said that given the passage of Citizens United with the GOP union busting that soon their will only be Corporations as the big doners.
    i sincerely doubt it; the public unions are nowhere near finished.

    though it would be nice if they were. and then we can get politics out of business in order to make it unprofitable for business to get into politics.

    And all of the big money corporate donors were for the GOP in the last election.
    no, the chamber of commerce donated to the GOP in the last election. which isn't surprising - funding from business tends also towards those whom are predicted to win.

    Your link there shows, if you add up the amounts from the top ten big doners, it was about evenly split between the Unions and Corporations
    man, that thing is only the direct donations. but even within that - you're math is off. and if you include in the 2008 election...

    Public-Employees Union Now Leads All Groups in Independent Election Outlays

    The American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees is now the biggest outside spender of the 2010 elections:

    ...The 1.6 million-member AFSCME is spending a total of $87.5 million on the elections after tapping into a $16 million emergency account to help fortify the Democrats' hold on Congress. Last week, AFSCME dug deeper, taking out a $2 million loan to fund its push. The group is spending money on television advertisements, phone calls, campaign mailings and other political efforts, helped by a Supreme Court decision that loosened restrictions on campaign spending.

    "We're the big dog," said Larry Scanlon, the head of AFSCME's political operations.
    "But we don't like to brag."...

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    Re: Labor Board Tells Boeing New Factory Breaks Law

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    i sincerely doubt it; the public unions are nowhere near finished.
    They were already down to 11% of the population before they came under the recent attack by the GOP.

    though it would be nice if they were. and then we can get politics out of business in order to make it unprofitable for business to get into politics.
    Yes, the Germans didn't complain when their unions were dismantled either.



    no, the chamber of commerce donated to the GOP in the last election. which isn't surprising - funding from business tends also towards those whom are predicted to win.
    Its what brought Nazi Germany to power. Yeah!
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    Re: Labor Board Tells Boeing New Factory Breaks Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    They were already down to 11% of the population before they came under the recent attack by the GOP.
    public union membership has been growing in the past few years, and is now a majority of the unionized workforce. (unions in the private sector have to 'produce', which is why they 'fail')

    Yes, the Germans didn't complain when their unions were dismantled either.
    ah yes. evil right wingers always dismantling unions. just like Hitler.

    other famous rightwingeres who forcibly dismantled their unions, of course, include Lenin and Mao..... all three of them making the exact same argument that since "unions were now part of the government" they were unneeded.

    Its what brought Nazi Germany to power. Yeah!
    no, what brought Nazi Germany to power was facing off against unwilling and internally weak opponents who were unable to cope with her developments in Maneuver warfare.

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