I was discovering that life just simply isn't fair and bask in the unsung glory of knowing that each obstacle overcome along the way only adds to the satisfaction in the end. Nothing great, after all, was ever accomplished by anyone sulking in his or her misery.
if only you were correctWidespread exploitative businesses before unionization is a myth perpetuated by ****ty history teachers.
i am an old fart. but remember as a boy of nine going to my grandmother's friend's home. it was a tiny place right beside the mill she had worked in all her life
she showed me the box she used when she was a girl of six working in that textile mill. the box was needed so that she would be tall enough to reach the machines. she pushed the box from one machine to the next. smart woman, but uneducated. tough to go to school while also working a 10 hour shift six days per week at the mill - when you are six years old
she told me of the working conditions she had to endure. that alone tells me the history teachers have it right. your attempt to re-write history is misguided
they did get paid for the time worked. they did not get paid for the retirement benefits they had earned because they were terminated before becoming vested in those benefitsThat's not an investment, they got paid for working the whole time.
then we agree. the money the employer was (supposedly) salting away in a retirement fund for the employee to enjoy upon retirement was their financial investment. obviously they spent significant time accruing those expected retirement benefits. thus, the employee was fully invested monetarily and with time ... but according to the employer - who would prefer to pocket the sinking fund holding the employee's retirement money - the employee was not vested. terminated instead, forfeiting any right to retirement, because the employer exercised his right to terminate at willAn investment is putting up money and time in exchange for a future payout, these employees have already been paid.
because the workplace remains defined. the employees tend to be fungible. thus the work place defines the site of union representationBut why should they be?
Why should new workers automatically be grandfathered?
no, they didn't. but they knew - or had the opportunity to know - before coming on board that they are about to become a represented employee of a bargaining unitNew employees did not elect to be represented as such.
all but the enlightened owners/employers would always insist that the union demands were too great and cite that as their reason not to agree to union demandsThe employer should be completely able to walk away if the demands are to much.
you seem to forget that the employer as does the union, signs a labor-management contract defining the processes of the workplace regarding conditions of employment. that is not a unilaterally crafted agreement
no, the union does not get to walk away, either. that would constitute an unfair labor practice of the union. good faith bargaining is required. and if they cannot reach agreement, then the impasse panel can step in and split the babyCurrently they can't do that when the employee can, why don't we make that level?
Originally Posted by Whovian
You'de expect nothing less of me or any other poster.
Maybe Title 5 is related to government employees and has no bearing here ?
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More info on the subject, maybe look here:http://www.nlrb.gov/sites/default/fi...nd_not_hrg.pdf
In general, labor issues would be handled by NLRB NLRB |.
Welcome Boeing!!the National Labor Relations Board under President Obama, the agency filed a complaint Wednesday seeking to force Boeing to bring an airplane production line back to its unionized facilities in Washington State instead of moving the work to a nonunion plant in South Carolina.
Not only do companies want to move to the South, so do many Americans -- business friendly, lower housing costs, lower taxes, warmer climate... it's no wonder that people are moving in droves from places like New York, DC, Michigan, NJ, Illinois and Massachusetts to come to places like NC, SC, Florida and Georgia.
CT Highway Dept.
NY/NJ Port Authority
the list can go on and on
I know because when I go to these places I do all the work myself, with the exception of CT Highway Dept. They just shut down lanes in the interstate and use five dump trucks with five drivers to have one dude on a riding lawn mower to mow grass in November.
what i found was that the employer most objected to the appearance of co-management. they wanted to make decisions unilaterally. and that is a much easier practice for them
of course that was in the public sector where profit making was not a consideration