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    Re: Labor Board Tells Boeing New Factory Breaks Law

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Obvious examples: Schools and auto manufacturing. And both have gone down the tubes.

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    the demise is attributable to management in both industries

    read The Reckoning from the mid 80's. that book predicted the decline of our nation's auto industry. much of the basis was because of the weak management at the top. one example is Edwards Deming. he could not be hired in detroit because his approach was innovative - different, and thus unwelcome by management in the USA
    there is a Deming award in japan, given to the business which best exemplifies Deming's principles of constant improvement and reliability
    to large degree, it was Deming's practices which propelled the asian auto markets to become leaders in the industry

    in education, the weak teachers survive only because the school management does not follow the procedures that exist to rid the system of the inadequate performers - in both union and non-union states
    and it is notable that the states with recognized teachers unions have student performance scores that exceed those states without recognized teachers unions

    in short, your conclusion is bogus
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    Re: Labor Board Tells Boeing New Factory Breaks Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    Just...

    Here's a link to the statutes you mentioned (and I used above).

    United States Code: Title 5,CHAPTER 71—LABOR-MANAGEMENT RELATIONS | LII / Legal Information Institute

    Please drill down and post exactly which ones you believe Boeing broke.
    They didn't break any rules, and the way the article here is written is that internal and public statements and documents.. Blah blah.. Making the reader think that they have some evidence of colussion.. LOL It's poor journalism at best, or outright bias at worse..

    Also, a Union may still be a union but they have no legal teeth without a contract, and to my understanding the Boeing union has no current contract.. Without being able to shift manufacturing, if the demands are unreasonable by the union the only other option would be to shut it down.. Or cave.. (Hardly viable for a fortune 500 company.. ) No Federal law will forbid a company using the threat of a move as ammunition in union contract negotiations, NO ONE, as a matter of fact I saw no case law that punished this type of negotiation tactic. NONE!! The article is misleading, hence some of the responses seen here???


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    Re: Labor Board Tells Boeing New Factory Breaks Law

    NLRB Accuses Boeing Of Retaliation For Labor Strikes - Law360
    Later that month, a Boeing memo sent to its employees noted that moving the line to South Carolina would reduce delivery disruptions caused by work stoppages, it said.
    Looks like the union broke the Labor statutes. Their strikes caused interference with operations, which is prohibited...


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    Re: Labor Board Tells Boeing New Factory Breaks Law

    This really is just one BIG hand job to the IAM and Trumka (the POS) from the Obulls#!t administration.
    Last edited by mtlhdtodd; 04-22-11 at 02:37 PM.

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    Long live the glorious people's movement!

    The socialist unions shall overcome the burgeious oppression!

    This has been a far rightys account of unions

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    Re: Labor Board Tells Boeing New Factory Breaks Law

    Looks like the union broke the Labor statutes. Their strikes caused interference with operations, which is prohibited...
    How are they supposed to strike without causing interference with operations? That was a dumb negotiating strategy lol

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    Re: Labor Board Tells Boeing New Factory Breaks Law

    Quote Originally Posted by shintao View Post
    Why of course, just like any worker who choses to slave for someone else in exchange for bread & water. Did you buy the company you work for? Were you Union? LOL!
    No as a matter of fact I didn't, and I didn't belong to a union, I also felt well paid, and that the company treated us rather well. The employees in return treated the company rather well, and helped them to grow, rather then bitch and moan about things . I also didn't think that owners of the company or those that ran it, were making too much money, that is what they are in business to do. They put up their money to start the company, took all the risks, lived with all the headaches.

    But if anyone is unhappy with what they are making, or the company they work for, they can start their own company as well. All you have to do is take every penny of your savings, mortgage your house to the hilt, borrow from friends … and have a go at it.

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    Re: Labor Board Tells Boeing New Factory Breaks Law

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    because the employer entered into a contract agreeing to how it would hire/fire employees
    and once 50% plus one employee vote to establish a union, the employer is then subject to labor law which prevents union busting
    Yes but why are they entitled to their jobs, what if 50% plus are terrible workers?
    Why should the employer be required to even negotiate with them?

    What makes the employee more honest and good than the employer, that they deserve special job protections?
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    Re: Labor Board Tells Boeing New Factory Breaks Law

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Obvious examples: Schools and auto manufacturing. And both have gone down the tubes.

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    There is no indication that auto manufacturing received less than any other similar autos being made. There is however, proof that the auto manufacturing profits have allowed the corporation to go International with auto plants & sales. So I think auto manufacturing excuse is FAIL.

    There seems to be some misconceptions in con-heads, part of the reality dump of the left lobe. However there is very little difference between private & public salaries. They are all underpaid.

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    Administer: highest 10 percent earned more than $124,250.
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    Re: Labor Board Tells Boeing New Factory Breaks Law

    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post
    No as a matter of fact I didn't, and I didn't belong to a union, I also felt well paid, and that the company treated us rather well. The employees in return treated the company rather well, and helped them to grow, rather then bitch and moan about things . I also didn't think that owners of the company or those that ran it, were making too much money, that is what they are in business to do. They put up their money to start the company, took all the risks, lived with all the headaches.
    You haven't a clue what other employees thought or bitched & moaned about. And you are being a hypocrite by expecting others to buy corporations, when you didn't do the same. LOL! Most companies practice the same behavior, put money in, take money out, have headaches.
    But if anyone is unhappy with what they are making, or the company they work for, they can start their own company as well. All you have to do is take every penny of your savings, mortgage your house to the hilt, borrow from friends … and have a go at it.
    Why of course you can. Snicker, snicker...............LMAO!!!

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