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    Re: Labor Board Tells Boeing New Factory Breaks Law

    Management threatened to move jobs as part of a labor dispute? That's a big no no in the worker/management relationship. If the threat is documented and that new work was documented as to be performed by the union employees and then that same work has been moved someplace else non-union then I believe the workers have a reasonable gripe. Seems like management has made some poor decisions here.

    Although manufacturers have long moved plants to nonunion states, the board noted that Boeing officials had, in internal documents and news interviews, specifically cited the strikes and potential future strikes as a reason for their 2009 decision to expand in South Carolina.

    The NLRA protects the rights of employees to:
    * Form or join a union
    * Bargain collectively for a contract that sets wages, benefits, hours, and other working conditions
    * Discuss wages, working conditions or union organizing with co-workers or a union
    * Act with co-workers to improve working conditions by raising complaints with an employer or a government agency
    * Strike and picket their employer, depending on the purpose or means of the action
    * Choose not to join a union or engage in union activities
    * Organize coworkers to decertify a union
    If employees choose a union as their bargaining representative, the union and employer must bargain in good faith in a genuine effort to reach a binding agreement setting out terms and conditions of employment. The union is required to fairly represent employees in bargaining and enforcing the agreement.
    Employers may not:
    * Prohibit employees from discussing a union during non-work time, or from distributing union literature during non-work time in non-work areas, such as parking lots or break rooms
    * Question employees about their union support or activities in a manner that discourages them from engaging in that activity
    * Fire, demote, transfer, reduce hours or take other adverse action against employees who join or support a union or act with co-workers for mutual aid and protection, or who refuse to engage in such activity
    * Threaten to close their workplace if employees form or join a union
    * Promise or grant promotions, pay raises, or other benefits to discourage or encourage union support
    * Prohibit employees from wearing union hats, buttons, t-shirts, and pins in the workplace except under special circumstances
    * Spy on or videotape peaceful union activities and gatherings


    Maybe the solution is to organize the workers in South Carolina.

    Note to management: Don't publicly threaten to move jobs over labor issues and if you must move jobs, be a good citizen do it tactfully.

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    Re: Labor Board Tells Boeing New Factory Breaks Law

    Quote Originally Posted by DontDoIt View Post
    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/21/bu.../21boeing.html



    Maybe one day some of the pro-union lovers including the president will realize that more and more businesses don't agree with being unionized.

    Thoughts?
    Why doesn't the business have the right to not employ these people?
    Why are these people entitled to their jobs?

    Good questions that need reasonable answers I think.
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    Re: Labor Board Tells Boeing New Factory Breaks Law

    Quote Originally Posted by shintao View Post
    Where has a business paid more for less using union help?
    Obvious examples: Schools and auto manufacturing. And both have gone down the tubes.

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    Re: Labor Board Tells Boeing New Factory Breaks Law

    Quote Originally Posted by mattillac View Post
    Management threatened to move jobs as part of a labor dispute? That's a big no no in the worker/management relationship. If the threat is documented and that new work was documented as to be performed by the union employees and then that same work has been moved someplace else non-union then I believe the workers have a reasonable gripe. Seems like management has made some poor decisions here.





    Maybe the solution is to organize the workers in South Carolina.

    Note to management: Don't publicly threaten to move jobs over labor issues and if you must move jobs, be a good citizen do it tactfully.
    Imagine that. Labor unions are screwing up every modern American industry that we have. Oh, if they are major American businesses that have the nerve to think they can’t be socialist union puppets, the brown shirts will come and fix it. Walmart?
    Last edited by GPS_Flex; 04-22-11 at 05:13 AM.

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    Re: Labor Board Tells Boeing New Factory Breaks Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Mayor Snorkum View Post
    Nothing "unfair" about opening an assembly line in a different state. Not in the least.

    If Boing had opted to open the same facility in a slave state, there would be no mention of "unfair" trade practices, hence the practice is not inherently unfair.

    Also, deciding who to layoff or fire, and where, isn't a subject the federal government has any authority to interfere with. Those decisions are proprietary to the owners of the company. Perhaps this is why Boing is desirous of shifting portions of it's operations out of a slave state and into a free state?
    you reveal your ignorance of labor law
    "unfair" as in unfair labor practice is found when the employer intentionally takes actions detrimental to the interests of its employees/union
    in this instance, internal management communications and a public statement made it evident that boeing established another non-unionized assembly line to avoid having to deal with the union and to have an alternative to avoid the impact of union actions (such as a strike)
    under federal law, that is found to be anti-labor practice. now the federal board responsible for enforcing the law will take boeing to court and will hammer out the impact and implementation of that action and to examine to what degree boeing actions adversely affected the interests of the employees/union

    as an aside, the employees/union, like the employer, is subject to that same restriction from engaging in unfair labor practices. the law is not one sided
    if you want to become more acquainted with the provisions of federal labor law (and you really need to, based on what was found within your post), the statutes will be found at 5 USC chapter 71
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    Re: Labor Board Tells Boeing New Factory Breaks Law

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    Seattle (and Boeing) was built by union workers, not by entrepreneurial ideas and investments. If the capitalists all go away, all will be well in Seattle.
    no way
    the business management has to identify the talent it needs to hire
    the market(s) it intends to serve
    the product/service it intends to build/supply
    the plans to build/supply it
    source the materials and equipment needed
    and the capital to make it all happen


    what we have are too few entrepreneurs. then the nation's unemployed tradesman and prospective employees could be marshaled to return to gainful employment
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    Re: Labor Board Tells Boeing New Factory Breaks Law

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    no way
    the business management has to identify the talent it needs to hire
    the market(s) it intends to serve
    the product/service it intends to build/supply
    the plans to build/supply it
    source the materials and equipment needed
    and the capital to make it all happen


    what we have are too few entrepreneurs. then the nation's unemployed tradesman and prospective employees could be marshaled to return to gainful employment
    In case you missed it, I believe GPS's post was an instance of sarcasm.

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    Re: Labor Board Tells Boeing New Factory Breaks Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Why doesn't the business have the right to not employ these people?
    Why are these people entitled to their jobs?

    Good questions that need reasonable answers I think.
    because the employer entered into a contract agreeing to how it would hire/fire employees
    and once 50% plus one employee vote to establish a union, the employer is then subject to labor law which prevents union busting
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    Re: Labor Board Tells Boeing New Factory Breaks Law

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    you reveal your ignorance of labor law
    "unfair" as in unfair labor practice is found when the employer intentionally takes actions detrimental to the interests of its employees/unionin this instance, internal management communications and a public statement made it evident that boeing established another non-unionized assembly line to avoid having to deal with the union and to have an alternative to avoid the impact of union actions (such as a strike)
    under federal law, that is found to be anti-labor practice. now the federal board responsible for enforcing the law will take boeing to court and will hammer out the impact and implementation of that action and to examine to what degree boeing actions adversely affected the interests of the employees/union

    as an aside, the employees/union, like the employer, is subject to that same restriction from engaging in unfair labor practices. the law is not one sided
    if you want to become more acquainted with the provisions of federal labor law (and you really need to, based on what was found within your post), the statutes will be found at 5 USC chapter 71
    So...a union makes unreasonable demands of Boeing... Boeing in turn decides to relocate a plant to a non-unionized location (saving the company money and creating jobs in that area instead of another)... and the union is pissed.

    Big ****ing deal.

    If the union had been more reasonable, Boeing wouldn't have NEEDED to relocate, so that is the unions fault. Boeing created jobs in one location instead of another, so the 'detrimental to the interests' nonsense is exactly that... nonsense. They are creating jobs at the new location, equal to the jobs that would have been created at the old location, so it's a wash.

    Boeing wins... employees win... union loses.

    Again... buig ****ing deal.



    United States Code: Title 5,7106. Management rights | LII / Legal Information Institute
    7106. Management rights
    How Current is This? (a) Subject to subsection (b) of this section, nothing in this chapter shall affect the authority of any management official of any agency
    (1) to determine the mission, budget, organization, number of employees, and internal security practices of the agency; and
    (2) in accordance with applicable laws—
    (A) to hire, assign, direct, layoff, and retain employees in the agency, or to suspend, remove, reduce in grade or pay, or take other disciplinary action against such employees;
    (B) to assign work, to make determinations with respect to contracting out, and to determine the personnel by which agency operations shall be conducted;
    (C) with respect to filling positions, to make selections for appointments from—
    (i) among properly ranked and certified candidates for promotion; or
    (ii) any other appropriate source; and
    (D) to take whatever actions may be necessary to carry out the agency mission during emergencies.
    (b) Nothing in this section shall preclude any agency and any labor organization from negotiating—
    (1) at the election of the agency, on the numbers, types, and grades of employees or positions assigned to any organizational subdivision, work project, or tour of duty, or on the technology, methods, and means of performing work;
    (2) procedures which management officials of the agency will observe in exercising any authority under this section; or
    (3) appropriate arrangements for employees adversely affected by the exercise of any authority under this section by such management officials.
    Which is exactly what Boeing is doing here.

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    Re: Labor Board Tells Boeing New Factory Breaks Law

    Just...

    Here's a link to the statutes you mentioned (and I used above).

    United States Code: Title 5,CHAPTER 71—LABOR-MANAGEMENT RELATIONS | LII / Legal Information Institute

    Please drill down and post exactly which ones you believe Boeing broke.

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