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    Re: Poll shows Americans oppose entitlement cuts to deal with debt problem

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Breaking News...

    America wants "spending cuts" but doesn't want anything specific cut, especially anything that directly benefits them, and are all for someone ELSE being taxed more money.
    Specific cuts from federal budget:

    Big Ticket Items:
    Education
    Welfare (Hint to liberals: if there's no adjective, don't whine about whatever sub-set is goosing you)
    Healthcare
    Social Security

    Reassess military missions and related expenses.

    That'll get most of the federal government inside the Constitution again.

    Little trashy items:
    NPR/PBS
    National Endowments for Art and Humanities
    A bazillion pork barrel programs.

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    Re: Poll shows Americans oppose entitlement cuts to deal with debt problem

    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Steel View Post
    In America, elected officials may ignore the wishes and interests of the People with impunity.
    tell it to the 66 democrat congressmen and women who were thrown out of office on tsunami tuesday, they surely don't forget so fast

    the six in new york, the five each in ohio and pennsylvania, the four in florida, the three in virginia...

    tell it to the 693 state reps ousted just last season, most in us history

    tell it to the 10 gubs, tell it to russ feingold

    tell it to claire mccaskill, joe manchin, ben nelson, bill nelson, john tester, kent conrad, jim webb, jeff bingaman...

    seeya at the polls, progressives

    tell the slasher to bring his plan

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    Re: Poll shows Americans oppose entitlement cuts to deal with debt problem

    Americans have gotten used to a lot of little payoffs. It's going to (and should) hurt all of us, moving forward. The first entitlement that ought to be whacked is government subsidies for business. Such payoffs are anti-free market, anti-capitalism, and anti-democracy.

    From the CATO institute:

    The following are some corporate welfare programs that are long overdue
    for repeal. Where provided, spending totals are for fiscal year 2008.
    ● Agriculture Department: Market Access Program. This program hands out more than $200 million annually to exporters of agricultural products to pay for their overseas advertising. Some of the recipients include the Brewers Association, the Pet Food Institute, Sunkist Growers, Welch’s Food, and the Wine Institute.
    ● Commerce Department: Advanced Technology Program. This $198 million program gives research grants to high-tech companies.
    ● Foreign Military Financing. U.S. taxpayers fund weapons purchases by foreign governments through this $4.7 billion program.
    ● Amtrak. The federal passenger rail company receives about $1.4 billion in subsidies annually. But Amtrak would be better off privatized so it could cut inefficient routes, maximize profits, and
    innovate.
    ● Export-Import Bank. This agency uses taxpayer dollars to subsidize the financing of foreign purchases of U.S. goods. It makes billions of dollars of preferential loans to foreigners, guarantees the loans of private institutions, and provides export credit insurance. In 2007, a Dallas television station (WFAA) discovered that the agency provided $243 million in loans to bogus Mexican companies, including drug cartels.
    ● Maritime Administration. This $591 million agency provides subsidies to the commercial shipping and shipbuilding industries. For example, the agency provides loan guarantees for purchases of ships
    from U.S. shipyards. But the best way to ensure a vigorous U.S.-owned ship industry is to reduce domestic taxes and regulations, which have encouraged the industry to move offshore.
    ● Energy Department: Energy Supply Research. This $894 million program aims to develop new and improved energy technologies. But the energy industry itself should fund such work, since it will
    earn profits when breakthroughs are made.
    ● Small Business Administration. This $530 million agency provides subsidized loans and loan guarantees to small businesses. It has a poor record of selecting businesses to support, as its loans have high rates of delinquency.
    http://www.cato.org/pubs/handbook/hb111/hb111-26.pdf
    Last edited by Catz Part Deux; 04-20-11 at 04:42 PM.

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    Re: Poll shows Americans oppose entitlement cuts to deal with debt problem

    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Steel View Post
    any reasonable solution must include tax increases.
    fine, tell harry to write it up

    tell him to hurry

    service on the debt, mere interest alone, is racing towards a full trillion per year

    News Headlines

    every two weeks that go by costs us on the order of another 100 bil

    leadership, anyone?

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    Re: Poll shows Americans oppose entitlement cuts to deal with debt problem

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought
    Draconian spending cuts to shrink the federal government would hurt our economy!

    I really hate the use of the term draconian when talking about government spending less money

    The original term was based on heavy punishments levied for minor offenses.

    The government spending can‘t be perceived as in individual punishment in the same manner that a tax levied against an individual is

    So draconian taxation is true to the origin of the term, but draconian spending fails.

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    Re: Poll shows Americans oppose entitlement cuts to deal with debt problem

    McINTYRE: Farming corporate welfare

    Why would you tax the citizens just to give the money to a producer to lower the price of a product in the grocery store? Why not just let the product cost what it costs and let the citizen keep their money and buy the product if they want it? It doesn't matter if it's wheat producers or corn producers.

    Where does ethanol fit into the mix? We subsidize corn producers. That raises the price of corn to produce a product (taking a lot of energy to do so) that isn't as efficient as the product it's replacing. Who, exactly, penciled that one out? Look at who is making the money. Is it the corn producers or the politicians or both?

    The last election cycle saw two Tea Party darlings, Bachmann-MN and our very own Noem who had farm subsidies attached to their financial disclosures. They did nothing wrong or illegal. They just "farmed the programs."

    The rest of us don't get the break. Farmers get breaks on gasoline taxes for machinery. What about your car? You need it to get to work. It's necessary for your job just as much as a farmer's tractor plowing the field is.

    It's no longer whose ox will be gored but who you are going to pry off of the government dole.
    Farm subsidies would be another good place to start chopping, vigorously, with a budget axe.

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    Re: Poll shows Americans oppose entitlement cuts to deal with debt problem

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    I really hate the use of the term draconian when talking about government spending less money

    The original term was based on heavy punishments levied for minor offenses.

    The government spending can‘t be perceived as in individual punishment in the same manner that a tax levied against an individual is

    So draconian taxation is true to the origin of the term, but draconian spending fails.
    Semantics aside, the point stands. Moderate cuts to spending and increases in taxes are necessary. Sharp cuts to spending would do more harm than good at this point. If the right wing wants to bring down the size of government then it needs to be done over time, not suddenly and in such a manner that it will lead to tumult in our economy.

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    Re: Poll shows Americans oppose entitlement cuts to deal with debt problem

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    McINTYRE: Farming corporate welfare

    Farm subsidies would be another good place to start chopping, vigorously, with a budget axe.
    Agree here. The one part of your comment I don't agree with is the notion that a farmer can't get gas breaks on the gasoline for his machinery. I do think that should, under our current tax code at least, be an expense that could be written off. The Car analogy by the individual is a very poor one. The farmer doesn't use the tractor to transport himself to work...he uses it to DO his work. Its similar to how you CAN claim your car or gas if driving is part of the actual job. Though I don't think that farmers should get some extra special benefit beyond that, such as making it tax exempt at the time of purchase or something of the sort. Though to be honest I may be misunderstanding what your writer was saying there.

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    Re: Poll shows Americans oppose entitlement cuts to deal with debt problem

    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Steel View Post
    As I said, no simple solution exists but any reasonable solution must include tax increases.
    yes, of course. Its certainly necessary to start increasing the amount of taxes paid by the lower income groups. Since they benefit the most from all the spending, it's only right they start paying their fair share of the burden.

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    Re: Poll shows Americans oppose entitlement cuts to deal with debt problem

    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Steel View Post
    The rich have seen their share of the national income increase
    that's what mainstream michael said

    RealClearPolitics - Video - Michael Moore On Wealthy People's Money: "That's Not Theirs, That's A National Resource, It's Ours"

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