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    Re: Poll shows Americans oppose entitlement cuts to deal with debt problem

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Poll shows Americans oppose entitlement cuts to deal with debt problem - The Washington Post



    Oh, the fickle American public...

    I've been saying this for awhile now. Maybe it's time to stop blaming the government for everything and start being introspective about ourselves, the People. Our government is only as competent/effective as the electorate that chooses them.
    First and probably the thing that is the most damaging long term, is that we allow people who don’t pay into the system ...to vote.

    Allowing people who don’t pay taxes to have an influence on public policy, ….that unfortunately will be America’s downfall.

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    Re: Poll shows Americans oppose entitlement cuts to deal with debt problem

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    I thought I was clear on that.

    I dislike polls, especially when they amount to having your cake while eating it too. of course those polls would lean in a particular direction.

    hey look everyone - the poll asking if you want to be a millionaire is heavily leaning towards "yes". big big news there!
    ah okay I see what you mean, my bad. I agree.
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    Re: Poll shows Americans oppose entitlement cuts to deal with debt problem

    "some people think the future means the end of history".

    America has some tough times ahead of it, it's not "deserved" but you were warned... You were told, and you ignored.

    But your nations not gonna end...

    Its just going to change.

    Instead of 2 cars, you might only have one.

    Instead if sending grandma off to a retirement home, you'll have to let her live with you at home...

    Your journey doesn't end here.

    Take heart.

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    Re: Poll shows Americans oppose entitlement cuts to deal with debt problem

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Much like the American media seldom ventures outside of the northeast when conducting their polls.
    That's not a fair assertion. If the poll were strictly a regional phenomenon, the results would not be so disturbing. But the poll is a scientific nationwide survey. The results are very likely representative of the nation's people as a whole.

    For more on the Washington Post-ABC News polling methodology, one can go to:

    (washingtonpost.com)

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    Re: Poll shows Americans oppose entitlement cuts to deal with debt problem

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    Briefly, The Washington Post-ABC News poll released today indicated that the American people do not support the kind of sacrifices that would be required to put the nation on a sustainable fiscal course. Even as Medicare is the leading driver of the nation's long-term fiscal imbalances, a strong majority of Americans opposes cutting Medicare spending. Fully 78% of respondents opposed Medicare spending reductions. 65% strongly opposed such savings. In a separate question on Medicare, When it came to Medicaid, 69% opposed Medicaid cuts. 52% strongly opposed them. 53% of Americans also opposed the combination of tax hikes/small reductions to Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security. 72% did support raising taxes on those with incomes over $250,000, but even massive tax hikes focused on that sector would not eliminate the nation's long-term imbalances even as it would dramatically undercut private capital investment (creating a flatter long-term growth trajectory).

    This news is troubling, because it suggests that either the American public is not yet sufficiently informed about the magnitude of fiscal imbalances/drivers/steps needed and/or, even if it is sufficiently informed, is unwilling to make the sacrifices necessary. Given the growing coverage the nation's debt has received, the two debt commissions, and heated political debate tied to the FY 2011 spending bill, a lack of familiarity would be disturbing in its own right. It would suggest the kind of obliviousness to key issues that undermines informed civic engagement.

    Strong leadership will be imperative if a meaningful fiscal consolidation path is to be agreed this year. The nation's political leaders will need to make deeply unpopular choices and sell the American people on those choices. Whether such leadership will be forthcoming remains to be seen. S&P has its doubts.

    Even if tough decisions are agreed this year, an equally important issue will concern whether those decisions will be implemented or terminated. In a democratic society, a wide gap between public opinion and the policy framework cannot be sustained indefinitely. Ultimately, the gap is typically eliminated from the election of new leaders who change course. A transformational leader who can bring people together can close the gap by persuading the public so that public opinion changes. That is a less common scenario than the former. Most leaders--corporate and political--are not of the transformational variety.

    Finally, delay in laying out a credible fiscal consolidation path and launching implementation will only exacerbate the situation. The long-term imbalances will grow even larger on something even close to the current policy path. In addition, every decision that is made today that postpones credible fiscal consolidation could reduce the United States' strategic flexibility going forward e.g., acting now when the U.S. is in a period of abnormally low interest rates would be optimal; trying to react when interest rates are rising (either due to a continued cyclical recovery, possible onset of inflation, or rising risk premia) would make things far more complicated. In the former scenario, the impact on macroeconomic growth could be somewhat limited. In the latter, it could be substantial and adverse (shift in capital flows, larger fiscal consolidation needed due to higher debt servicing costs or worse, lack of transition due to declining access to credit, etc.).
    I think what we really have here is a dilemma over a Ponzi Scheme. The American people know if they make the cuts it will hurt their parents, as partisan as it may sound, the left knew this from the beginning. In fact they count on this very emotional charge to control whether anything ever changes with these programs. I think the American people want to cut spending, but they don't know to come up with an alternative that will save the system and not hurt their families. Call it part patriotism and part self-interest. Notice the first thing the left comes out with during every single discussion about cutting SS or Medicare, is that the right wants old people to eat dog food and/or die. They don't want cuts period, end of story.
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    Re: Poll shows Americans oppose entitlement cuts to deal with debt problem

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    I think what we really have here is a dilemma over a Ponzi Scheme. They know if they make the cuts it will hurt their parents, as partisan as it may sound, the left knew this from the beginning. In fact they count on this very emotional charge to control whether anything ever changes with these programs. I think the American people want to cut spending, but they don't know to come up with an alternative that will save the system and not hurt their families. Call it part patriotism and part self-interest. Notice the first thing the left comes out with during every single discussion about cutting SS or Medicare, is that the right wants old people to eat dog food and/or die. They don't want cuts period, end of story.
    The partisan mistake you make is thinking it is only the left that understood this from the begining. And yes, some use the politics of fear to say that republicans want to kill granny. This is wrong. But do not kid yourself that conservatives don't also use the politics of fear. Both sides do, and both are wrong to do so.

    What we've seen over the years is that both democrats and republicans spend. neither sigificantly cut spending. The only difference is what they spend it on.

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    Re: Poll shows Americans oppose entitlement cuts to deal with debt problem

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    This is why its going to take some actual leaders in the white house and congress to essentially get done what has to be done for the future of this country despite it likely costing them their jobs at the next election cycle. We need significant cuts, across the board, with reform to our various entitlement programs.
    This would be a lot easier for politicians if the news media were doing a better job of providing objective analyses of our current budget situation rather than reporting at a superficial level of "here's what Democrats and Republicans say and here's a poll of what most Americans believe."

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    Re: Poll shows Americans oppose entitlement cuts to deal with debt problem

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Breaking News...

    America wants "spending cuts" but doesn't want anything specific cut, especially anything that directly benefits them, and are all for someone ELSE being taxed more money.

    This is why its going to take some actual leaders in the white house and congress to essentially get done what has to be done for the future of this country despite it likely costing them their jobs at the next election cycle. We need significant cuts, across the board, with reform to our various entitlement programs.

    BREAKING NEWS: Americans dont want huge tax cuts in every category for the Wealthiest Americans and massive increases in costs and taxs to the middleclass

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    Re: Poll shows Americans oppose entitlement cuts to deal with debt problem

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    "some people think the future means the end of history".

    America has some tough times ahead of it, it's not "deserved" but you were warned... You were told, and you ignored.

    But your nations not gonna end...

    Its just going to change.

    Instead of 2 cars, you might only have one.

    Instead if sending grandma off to a retirement home, you'll have to let her live with you at home...

    Your journey doesn't end here.

    Take heart.

    What happens to grandma when she has no one to live with...anyway seems your ok with the quality of life lowered for the middleclass, so the richest americans can have moAR and moAR and mOAR

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    Re: Poll shows Americans oppose entitlement cuts to deal with debt problem

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    What happens to grandma when she has no one to live with...anyway seems your ok with the quality of life lowered for the middleclass, so the richest americans can have moAR and moAR and mOAR
    She can get a roommate.
    I know, the horror.
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