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    Re: Poll shows Americans oppose entitlement cuts to deal with debt problem

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    You may be surprised to know not everyone agrees it is unconsititutional. I'm sure you're a constitutional scholar, the worlds foremost expert and all, but there is disagreement all the same.


    Just to help:

    The constitutionality of the Social Security Act was settled in a set of Supreme Court decisions issued in May 1937. The text of those decisions, with dissents, is presented here. (We also include a brief historical essay to help general readers better understand the context of the decisions.)

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    President Roosevelt's response to all of this was stunning and unexpected. On February 5, 1937 he sent a special message to Congress proposing legislation granting the President new powers to add additional judges to all federal courts whenever there were sitting judges age 70 or older who refused to retire. Couching his argument as a reform to help relieve the workload burden on the courts, President Roosevelt's unusually blunt language made it clear what he really had in mind: "A part of the problem of obtaining a sufficient number of judges to dispose of cases is the capacity of the judges themselves. This brings forward the question of aged or infirm judges--a subject of delicacy and yet one which requires frank discussion. In exceptional cases, of course, judges, like other men, retain to an advanced age full mental and physical vigor. Those not so fortunate are often unable to perceive their own infirmities. . . A lower mental or physical vigor leads men to avoid an examination of complicated and changed conditions. Little by little, new facts become blurred through old glasses fitted, as it were, for the needs of another generation; older men, assuming that the scene is the same as it was in the past, cease to explore or inquire into the present or the future." 3

    The practical effect of this proposal was that the President would get to appoint six new Justices to the Supreme Court (and 44 judges to lower federal courts) thus instantly tipping the political balance on the Court dramatically in his favor. The debate on this proposal was heated, widespread and over in six months. The President would be decisively rebuffed, his reputation in history tarnished for all time. But the Court, it seemed, got the message and suddenly shifted its course. Beginning with a set of decisions in March, April and May 1937 (including the Social Security Act cases) the Court would sustain a series of New Deal legislation, producing a "constitutional revolution in the age of Roosevelt." 4
    Here, right from your link, that ****ing traitor FDR should have gotten his head blown off for what he did to this country. And you people have the balls to talk to us about Bush war crime trials, while you put that traitor on a pedestal.
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    Re: Poll shows Americans oppose entitlement cuts to deal with debt problem

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    Fix the economy, some tweaks in spending, end our foreign wars and get rid of the so-called Bush tax cut.... the deficit will shrink to manageable proportions.
    if you are not willing to pay almost 40c on your next dollar to the federal government you have no credibility in demanding anyone else pay that much either



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    Re: Poll shows Americans oppose entitlement cuts to deal with debt problem

    I want changes in how these programs are administered, ending the hand outs and turn them into hands up.

    Currently these programs make people dependent and do little to truly help people their lot in life.

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    Re: Poll shows Americans oppose entitlement cuts to deal with debt problem

    Raising taxes on the rich will have no such affect.[/QUOTE]

    Definitely not 20% but by increased tax on the rich will result in a general increase in unemployment.

    Everyone. Don't you think it is time to try and stop polarizing the differences between the two parties. To defeat this deficit that has been caused by a failure of government spanning multiple GOP and Democrat presidential terms, we must use both techniques. First off, a general return to the constitution must be a given for both sides because it is the fundamental law of the land, if you don't agree with it you must get an amendment passed. Thus there must be massive cuts in extraneous programs primarily in the welfare department (which has no constitutional backing) and there must be an increase in taxes especially upon the rich. Throw away the current tax book and turn it into a tax sheet. flat tax for every citizen to a certain level of income and then a progressive tax from there on in (with a time limit, after which we impose a two tiered flat tax system). Currently a great number of companies and individual pay zero taxes yet continue to vote on how that money is spent, which understandably frustrates the average taxpayer.

    Democrats be satiated with your increase in taxes upon the rich and Republicans be satisfied with the elimination of a large portion of unconstitutional welfare. This (overly simplified) solution will result in a surplus that would allow us to eliminate the current debt, primary problem solved!

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    Re: Poll shows Americans oppose entitlement cuts to deal with debt problem

    Quote Originally Posted by Kulterkampf View Post
    Raising taxes on the rich will have no such affect.

    Definitely not 20% but by increased tax on the rich will result in a general increase in unemployment.

    Everyone. Don't you think it is time to try and stop polarizing the differences between the two parties. To defeat this deficit that has been caused by a failure of government spanning multiple GOP and Democrat presidential terms, we must use both techniques. First off, a general return to the constitution must be a given for both sides because it is the fundamental law of the land, if you don't agree with it you must get an amendment passed. Thus there must be massive cuts in extraneous programs primarily in the welfare department (which has no constitutional backing) and there must be an increase in taxes especially upon the rich. Throw away the current tax book and turn it into a tax sheet. flat tax for every citizen to a certain level of income and then a progressive tax from there on in (with a time limit, after which we impose a two tiered flat tax system). Currently a great number of companies and individual pay zero taxes yet continue to vote on how that money is spent, which understandably frustrates the average taxpayer.

    Democrats be satiated with your increase in taxes upon the rich and Republicans be satisfied with the elimination of a large portion of unconstitutional welfare. This (overly simplified) solution will result in a surplus that would allow us to eliminate the current debt, primary problem solved!




    why should the rich pay more when they already pay too much
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    Re: Poll shows Americans oppose entitlement cuts to deal with debt problem

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    I want changes in how these programs are administered, ending the hand outs and turn them into hands up.

    Currently these programs make people dependent and do little to truly help people their lot in life.
    true and merely making the rich pay more taxes so the others can continue to want more and more stuff from government only increases the problem

    the only way the tax system can be used to stop the deficit spending is not to bleed the rich more but to cause most of america to stop being seduced by the promises of big spending politicians who use either the money of the rich or DEBT to buy the votes of the many



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    Re: Poll shows Americans oppose entitlement cuts to deal with debt problem

    Indeed they do pay too much right now, yet with the shrinkage of federal government and the guarantee of a a future flat tax (though two tiered) we can eliminate our debts and hopefully keep the federal government in check for a couple decades. A Federal government that stuck to their constitutional responsibility would result in a 15% flat tax with a 25% tax on incomes over 1/2 million (adjusted with inflation). The second tier is only a way to keep the bleeding heart liberals happy, and it ends up being less than our current tax burden.

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    Re: Poll shows Americans oppose entitlement cuts to deal with debt problem

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Poll shows Americans oppose entitlement cuts to deal with debt problem - The Washington Post



    Oh, the fickle American public...

    I've been saying this for awhile now. Maybe it's time to stop blaming the government for everything and start being introspective about ourselves, the People. Our government is only as competent/effective as the electorate that chooses them.

    Bottom line the wealthy need to be taxed MUCH more and put in their fair share. Plus the public unions need to be disolved. Plus the illegal mexicans need to get the hell out of the country!
    There. I solved the problem
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    Re: Poll shows Americans oppose entitlement cuts to deal with debt problem

    Quote Originally Posted by The Giant Noodle View Post
    Bottom line the wealthy need to be taxed MUCH more and put in their fair share. Plus the public unions need to be disolved. Plus the illegal mexicans need to get the hell out of the country!
    There. I solved the problem

    Libertarian eh? pfft!!!! Get the 47% to pay something first.


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    Re: Poll shows Americans oppose entitlement cuts to deal with debt problem

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Libertarian eh? pfft!!!! Get the 47% to pay something first.


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