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    Re: Poll shows Americans oppose entitlement cuts to deal with debt problem

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Agree here. The one part of your comment I don't agree with is the notion that a farmer can't get gas breaks on the gasoline for his machinery. I do think that should, under our current tax code at least, be an expense that could be written off.
    All the dumb-ass farmer has to do is incorporate and thus separate his business expenses from his personal expenses.

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    Re: Poll shows Americans oppose entitlement cuts to deal with debt problem

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Agree here. The one part of your comment I don't agree with is the notion that a farmer can't get gas breaks on the gasoline for his machinery. I do think that should, under our current tax code at least, be an expense that could be written off. The Car analogy by the individual is a very poor one. The farmer doesn't use the tractor to transport himself to work...he uses it to DO his work. Its similar to how you CAN claim your car or gas if driving is part of the actual job. Though I don't think that farmers should get some extra special benefit beyond that, such as making it tax exempt at the time of purchase or something of the sort. Though to be honest I may be misunderstanding what your writer was saying there.
    The reason farm fuel is not taxed (subsidized) is that the fuel taxes are supposed to pay for road work. Since tractors and other farm equipment don't normally travel on public roads, they shouldn't have to pay the road tax. The farmers I know that have untaxed fuel are very careful that none of it is used for vehicles that travel public roads, although I'm sure there are some that ignore the law.

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    Re: Poll shows Americans oppose entitlement cuts to deal with debt problem

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    I really hate the use of the term draconian when talking about government spending less money

    The original term was based on heavy punishments levied for minor offenses.

    The government spending can‘t be perceived as in individual punishment in the same manner that a tax levied against an individual is

    So draconian taxation is true to the origin of the term, but draconian spending fails.
    To be specific, the original meaning was linked to Vlad Tepis, ie, Dracula, and his penchant for impaling just about anyone that irritated him.

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    Re: Poll shows Americans oppose entitlement cuts to deal with debt problem

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    I assure you our elected officals are paying attention to such polls.
    ryan's BILL passed the house

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    the slasher is in silicon valley raising money

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    leadership, anyone?

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    Re: Poll shows Americans oppose entitlement cuts to deal with debt problem

    Quote Originally Posted by Mayor Snorkum View Post
    All the dumb-ass farmer has to do is incorporate and thus separate his business expenses from his personal expenses.
    The next time you sit down to eat, you can thank the "dumb-ass farmer" for providing the food you are eating. And all the farmers I know are incorporated. They are not as dumb as you seem to think.

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    Re: Poll shows Americans oppose entitlement cuts to deal with debt problem

    Thanks Gill,

    I still see no real point to it in our current economic environment and think it should be cut. What's so special about farmers compared to say, my friend who owns a four wheeler that isn't street legal so only drives on the road as well. Or how about everyone owning a boat or sea doo which aren't going on the road? What about my lawn mower, that's not for road use.

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    Re: Poll shows Americans oppose entitlement cuts to deal with debt problem

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Thanks Gill,

    I still see no real point to it in our current economic environment and think it should be cut. What's so special about farmers compared to say, my friend who owns a four wheeler that isn't street legal so only drives on the road as well. Or how about everyone owning a boat or sea doo which aren't going on the road? What about my lawn mower, that's not for road use.
    Hey, I don't disagree with you at all. In my opinion, all farm subsidies should be stopped. Many seem to go to rich celebrities, sports stars, and musicians that have "farms" they use as tax deductions.

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    Re: Poll shows Americans oppose entitlement cuts to deal with debt problem

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    The reason farm fuel is not taxed (subsidized) is that the fuel taxes are supposed to pay for road work. Since tractors and other farm equipment don't normally travel on public roads, they shouldn't have to pay the road tax. The farmers I know that have untaxed fuel are very careful that none of it is used for vehicles that travel public roads, although I'm sure there are some that ignore the law.
    Red dye is used for off road fuels and I believe blue dye is used for government vehicles.

    Some may ignore, but the fines are pretty steep, if caught.
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    Re: Poll shows Americans oppose entitlement cuts to deal with debt problem

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Thanks Gill,

    I still see no real point to it in our current economic environment and think it should be cut. What's so special about farmers compared to say, my friend who owns a four wheeler that isn't street legal so only drives on the road as well. Or how about everyone owning a boat or sea doo which aren't going on the road? What about my lawn mower, that's not for road use.
    I don't know. Here's the IRS code.

    Off-highway business use includes fuels used in any of the following ways.

    In stationary machines such as generators, compressors, power saws, and similar equipment.

    For cleaning purposes.

    In forklift trucks, bulldozers, and earthmovers.

    Generally, this use does not include nonbusiness use of fuel, such as use by minibikes, snowmobiles, power lawn mowers, chain saws, and other yard equipment.

    Example.

    Caroline owns a landscaping business. She uses power lawn mowers and chain saws in her business. The gasoline used in the power lawn mowers and chain saws qualifies as fuel used in an off-highway business use. The gasoline used in her personal lawn mower at home does not qualify.

    Publication 510 (04/2009), Excise Taxes
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