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Petition to recall Wisconsin GOP Sen. Sheila Harsdorf to be filed Tuesday

Catawba said:
I just heard today that the deadlines had been passed with out the signatures necessary to recall the Democrats, so the other side does not seem to have the same motivation to let the politicians know which side got it wrong in Wisconsin.
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You heard wrong. 3 democrats, will face recall elections. Based on the Prosser vote, those three democrats are in danger of being recalled.
 
buck said:
You heard wrong. 3 democrats, will face recall elections. Based on the Prosser vote, those three democrats are in danger of being recalled.
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I think he's talking about this:

A recall effort targeting two Democratic state senators has fallen short at the deadline.

Organizers had until Monday afternoon to turn in petitions to recall Sen. Lena Taylor of Milwaukee and Sen. Fred Risser of Madison. But the organizers failed to meet the deadline.

Recall effort for 2 Wis. Dems fails at deadline
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buck said:
Or maybe it's that they get 3 months off per year, make good salary, get good benefits and a lifetime pension. I know that's the reason my uncle stayed in the streets and sanitation department in Chicago for so long. The guy's living large off his pension. Owns a couple of houses here and In Fla paid for by me and the other tax payers of our crooked city.
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You know little about teaching if you think that is the case.
 
Boo Radley said:
You know little about teaching if you think that is the case.
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I personally know teachers. Are you disagreeing with the fact that they get 3 months off, have a good salary (I have acess to all of their salaries in my district), or a good pension? Tell me which you disagree with and i'll show you why you are wrong.
 
buck said:
I personally know teachers. Are you disagreeing with the fact that they get 3 months off, have a good salary (I have acess to all of their salaries in my district), or a good pension? Tell me which you disagree with and i'll show you why you are wrong.
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They are largely underpaid. The often work during the summer. The often spend their own money on supplies for students. Pensions vary across the country. Comparatively, with equal education and effort, they are not on the top of the heap. If you're become a teacher for the reasons he mentioned, you will be sadly disappointed.
 
Boo Radley said:
They are largely underpaid.
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that's a matter of opinion

for me, 75K for nine months of six hour days t'aint bad

The (sic) often work during the summer.
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imagine that!

having to work!

we get paid on top of our salaries if we do

The (sic) often spend their own money on supplies for students.
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very rarely and very little

this year, for instance, donorschoose.org is the rage

several teachers at my school have gotten elmo's!

FREE!

Pensions vary across the country.
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and they beat social security by hundreds of percents

but that's not really saying much since social security is such a ripoff

If you're (sic) become a teacher for the reasons he mentioned, you will be sadly disappointed.
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oh, no, it's a marvelous profession

i highly recommend it, i tell all my students---become a teacher

very few of us commute, by the way, on top of all our other cushy perks

if i could do it again, i'd do pe---shoot hoops and coach football FOREVER!
 
They don't always get paid. Often they ahve to pay, for more training, more accredidation, etc.

And no, it is actually common for them to spend their own money. Not rare at all.

Hogue is one of the millions of teachers across the country who are shelling out their own hard-earned cash to pay for books, pens, pencils and other basic supplies that schools have provided in the past.

According to a new survey, teachers spent an average of $448 of their own money on instructional materials and school supplies for the 1998-99 school year.

Teachers Spend Own Money for Supplies - ABC News

The National School Supply & Equipment Association says teachers spent $1.33 billion dollars out of their own pockets in the 2009-2010 school year to equip their classrooms with everything from craft supplies to software and games.

http://www.poynter.org/latest-news/...-1-3-billion-of-own-money-on-school-supplies/

Many people may not be aware of this, but it is a fact that most teachers spend a good deal of their own money on supplies for their students and classrooms each year. In some cases, if teachers did not do this, the students would have to do without certain items.

Teachers Spend Their Own Money On Their Classrooms
 
Boo Radley said:
They don't always get paid.
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for working thru summer?

LOL!

you don't know what you're talking about

Often they ahve (sic) to pay, for more training, more accredidation (sic), etc.
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accredidation?

yup, we pay for units, just over 100 bucks each

for every 15 units we move over on the pay scale, significant salary raise---every year for the rest of our lives

complaints?

And no, it is actually common for them to spend their own money.
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1.3 billion dollars on construction paper

LOL!

according to surveys of teachers

poor mrs murphy, the mathematician

so underpaid for her 181 contractual days of 6 hours, she had to wait tables one summer
 
Boo Radley said:
They are largely underpaid. The often work during the summer. The often spend their own money on supplies for students. Pensions vary across the country. Comparatively, with equal education and effort, they are not on the top of the heap. If you're become a teacher for the reasons he mentioned, you will be sadly disappointed.
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According to the link you provided, and assuming the study was accurate, teachers recieve 4% less compensation then their private sector equivalents. I'd be willing to give up 4.0% up front pay for the job security, pension and time off that teachers enjoy.

There is a reason that PS employees don't have a large turnover and there are many that want to enter the ranks. And it's not solely "to make a difference". Unless, you truly think that the street and sans guy is trying to 'make a difference".
 
buck said:
According to the link you provided, and assuming the study was accurate, teachers recieve 4% less compensation then their private sector equivalents. I'd be willing to give up 4.0% up front pay for the job security, pension and time off that teachers enjoy.

There is a reason that PS employees don't have a large turnover and there are many that want to enter the ranks. And it's not solely "to make a difference". Unless, you truly think that the street and sans guy is trying to 'make a difference".
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The job is not much more secure than any other. Being union does not mean you can't be fired. Teachers are fired and laid off regularly.

School authorities across the nation are warning thousands of teachers that they could lose their jobs in June, raising the possibility that America’s public schools may see the most extensive layoffs of their teaching staffs in decades.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/31/education/31layoffs.html

Union Estimates 19,000 Teacher Layoff Slips So Far In California

Union Estimates 19,000 Teacher Layoff Slips So Far In California

It is a myth that teacher tenure provides a guarantee of lifetime employment. Tenure is no more than a legal commitment (set by the state and negotiated union contracts) to procedural due process, ensuring notice and providing a hearing for generally accepted reasons for termination, such as incompetency, insubordination, and immorality.

The Answer Sheet - The myth of teacher tenure

Having a process for firing is not equal to be unable to fire.
 
Catawba said:
Wisconsin recall efforts paint clear picture

"Republicans are failing to obtain the necessary signatures to do so while Democrats are having success."
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Yeah... it's a little hard to make progress when this happens...

Weasel Zippers » Blog Archive » Union Protestors in Wisconsin Destroy Democrat Recall Petitions and Police Do Nothing
Upon arrival, members of the recall committee were encircled by union protesters carrying signs and a leader with a mega phone who began chanting and ranting loudly. They packed in tightly around the petition collection table so as to prevent those attempting to sign from doing so. At one point, a pro union protester, pretending to be interested in signing the petition, wrote profanity across a partially collected petition form, than began ripping up the completed petitions that were in close proximity.

The policemen who were there, and who were standing in close proximity to these events as they unfolded, did nothing to assist those collecting the petitions as they were being destroyed, despite such an action being a Felony under Wisconsin law. Police also did nothing to clear the walk way for citizens that wanted to sign the petitions.
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And before you whine that there is no proof this happened...



I await your spin.
 
Whovian said:
Yeah... it's a little hard to make progress when this happens...

Weasel Zippers » Blog Archive » Union Protestors in Wisconsin Destroy Democrat Recall Petitions and Police Do Nothing


And before you whine that there is no proof this happened...



I await your spin.
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Did you actually look at the video you posted. Where was the proof supposed to be? No spin necessary until you have something more credible than what your posted here from a blog that proudly claims its "Souring the bowels of the internet" LOL! :sun
 
Catawba said:
Did you actually look at the video you posted. Where was the proof supposed to be? No spin necessary until you have something more credible than what your posted here from a blog that proudly claims its "Souring the bowels of the internet" LOL! :sun
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As I thought. Presented with physical evidence, you claim there is none.

At one point, a pro union protester, pretending to be interested in signing the petition, wrote profanity across a partially collected petition form, than began ripping up the completed petitions that were in close proximity.
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The results of this are CLEARLY shown in the video. You can SEE what was written on the petitiojn, and the tears.

But of course, by all means, denty it. Simply makes you look foolish and partisan.
 
Boo Radley said:
Having a process for firing is not equal to be unable to fire.
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oh, yes, indeed, it is possible to fire a tenured teacher for performance

it's just very, very difficult

ask any tenured teacher

in other words, you don't know what you're talking about
 
The Prof said:
oh, yes, indeed, it is possible to fire a tenured teacher for performance

it's just very, very difficult

ask any tenured teacher

in other words, you don't know what you're talking about
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I do know. Sorry, but you're wrong again. All anyone has to do is follow procedure. If they can't do that, they likely don't really have a reason to fire them.
 
Again, hard? Subjective. Can you or can't you fire them? They do get fired you know.
 
BTW Prof, do you read your articles? As the person in the opening example was not being fired for poor teaching, but off duty behavor, and was still going through a process of being fired. Most places, union or not, have a process. We don't have tenure here, but they still have to go through a process.
 
Boo Radley said:
Again, hard? Subjective. Can you or can't you fire them? They do get fired you know.
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Of course they can be fired. It's just a difficult thing to accomplish. This isn't just teachers either, this is across most public sector jobs. Fact is public sector employees have much higher levels of job security. This even with the current buget battles and potential firing of teachers in some states.
 
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Catawba said:
Yep about half the number of recall petitions that have been successfully filed against Republicans, that's my point.
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About half? Not so good at math are you?

3 dems and 6 reps is exactly half.

Yes, I think it's been very well known since the process started that Democrats were much more organized, even getting help from the dem party. Republican efforts were not nearly as organized and did not recieve much, if any, help from the republican party. Many in WI were lamenting this fact, as they felt the republican party was not taking the threat nearly as seriously as they should have.

Addtionally, out of the 6 petitions submitted against republucans, no one seriously thinks many will actually lose the recall election.

On the other hand, out of the 3 submitted against Democrats, all 3 have a serious chance of losing.
 
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