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    Re: Petition to recall Wisconsin GOP Sen. Sheila Harsdorf to be filed Tuesday

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Fortunately, the state's voters know what the Governor ran on, and it wasn't union busting, and the courts have not yet decided if the law is even legal yet.
    And apparently the voter's in WI agree with the governor on this. The unions spent a lot of money and time on sucessfully tying Prosser to Walker and making the supreme court election a referendum on Walker and the "union busting" bill. The Wisconsin tax payer, and Walker and his "union busting" bill, won.

    And they won in a situation with very high emotions from the left that will be unlikely to be duplicated in the long term. This doesn't bode well for unions and their puppets on the left, in the state of Wisconsin, for years to come.
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    Re: Petition to recall Wisconsin GOP Sen. Sheila Harsdorf to be filed Tuesday

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    That's of course wrong - but not I think what you were arguing earlier. Certainly you agree that not all democracies are republics?

    I think it's enough to say that our government has elements of both. I would argue that the democratic elements operate at the state and local level (e.g. in deciding a referendum). The federal government is a republic plain and simple. People have no direct say whatsoever in its legislative, executive, or judicial functions. If some people find it more palatible to call it a "representative democracy" because 1/3 of it is elected democratically, then fine -- but the distinction is rhetorical - the government is the same either way (the few rule over the many).
    A representative democracy is a form of a republic. All democracies are generally a form of a republic unless they have some sort of monarchy like the UK so therefor UK could not be considered a republic. "Republic: a government where most decisions are made with reference to established laws, rather than the discretion of a head of state, and therefore monarchy is today generally considered to be incompatible with being a republic."
    Not all democracies are a republic... Sense we have a representative democracy I would consider us a democratic republic...


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    Re: Petition to recall Wisconsin GOP Sen. Sheila Harsdorf to be filed Tuesday

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    The Wisconsin tax payer, and Walker and his "union busting" bill, won.
    A bit premature there, aren't you?

    Wisconsin Judge Maintains Restraining Order After Court Testimony

    "For those looking for a quick resolution to Wisconsin’s union-busting bill, you are going to be disappointed. Judge Maryann Sumi of Dane County decided to maintain the restraining order on Governor Walker’s bill until she decides whether the senate committee meeting that the Republicans hastily put together to pass the bill violated the state’s open meetings law. Although the bill is still in limbo, today’s court proceedings provided some interesting testimony.

    As previously reported, Judge Sumi placed a restraining order on the union-busting bill after the district attorney in Dane County filed a complaint. After the restraining order was in place, the governor’s administration said they would start implementing the bill because they believed it was published. During a hearing, it was discovered that state Republican leaders ran an end-around on the secretary of state to try and get the bill published.

    The judge once again reiterated her decision on the restraining order. After the hearing, people within the governor’s administration said the bill was still published regardless of what the judge said. The next day, the judge not only continued the retraining order but also said the bill was not published. If anyone defied her order, they would be held in contempt."
    Wisconsin Judge Maintains Restraining Order... | Gather
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    Re: Petition to recall Wisconsin GOP Sen. Sheila Harsdorf to be filed Tuesday

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    A representative democracy is a form of a republic. All democracies are generally a form of a republic unless they have some sort of monarchy like the UK so therefor UK could not be considered a republic. "Republic: a government where most decisions are made with reference to established laws, rather than the discretion of a head of state, and therefore monarchy is today generally considered to be incompatible with being a republic."
    Not all democracies are a republic... Sense we have a representative democracy I would consider us a democratic republic...
    We're a Representative Republic. Not the gooblidity gook you are on about.
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    Re: Petition to recall Wisconsin GOP Sen. Sheila Harsdorf to be filed Tuesday

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    A bit premature there, aren't you?

    Wisconsin Judge Maintains Restraining Order After Court Testimony

    "For those looking for a quick resolution to Wisconsin’s union-busting bill, you are going to be disappointed. Judge Maryann Sumi of Dane County decided to maintain the restraining order on Governor Walker’s bill until she decides whether the senate committee meeting that the Republicans hastily put together to pass the bill violated the state’s open meetings law. Although the bill is still in limbo, today’s court proceedings provided some interesting testimony.

    As previously reported, Judge Sumi placed a restraining order on the union-busting bill after the district attorney in Dane County filed a complaint. After the restraining order was in place, the governor’s administration said they would start implementing the bill because they believed it was published. During a hearing, it was discovered that state Republican leaders ran an end-around on the secretary of state to try and get the bill published.

    The judge once again reiterated her decision on the restraining order. After the hearing, people within the governor’s administration said the bill was still published regardless of what the judge said. The next day, the judge not only continued the retraining order but also said the bill was not published. If anyone defied her order, they would be held in contempt."
    Wisconsin Judge Maintains Restraining Order... | Gather
    The judge is a stooge, the bill was passed legally, this is how Liberals operate, if they can't get their way they find a "friendly" judge and sue.
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    Re: Petition to recall Wisconsin GOP Sen. Sheila Harsdorf to be filed Tuesday

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    A representative democracy is a form of a republic. All democracies are generally a form of a republic unless they have some sort of monarchy like the UK so therefor UK could not be considered a republic. "Republic: a government where most decisions are made with reference to established laws, rather than the discretion of a head of state, and therefore monarchy is today generally considered to be incompatible with being a republic."
    Not all democracies are a republic... Sense we have a representative democracy I would consider us a democratic republic...
    Why do you try to turn every thread into a debate about socialism vs democracy etc? Can't you just debate the topic of the thread?

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    It would seem that the constitution is just a god damn piece of paper, to be trotted out when expedient.

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    Re: Petition to recall Wisconsin GOP Sen. Sheila Harsdorf to be filed Tuesday

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    We're a Representative Republic. Not the gooblidity gook you are on about.
    A "representative republic" is the same thing as a representative democracy.. We use democracy to elect our representatives (congress men/women)......


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    Re: Petition to recall Wisconsin GOP Sen. Sheila Harsdorf to be filed Tuesday

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    Why do you try to turn every thread into a debate about socialism vs democracy etc? Can't you just debate the topic of the thread?
    First off it wasnt me that brought up the debate about republic v democracy and repuiblic=democracy, it was you stating this "The US isn’t a democracy and neither is Wisconsin. They are both constitutional republics.

    I really must laugh at you right now though. You are working overtime defending Hugo (the expropriator) Chavez in another thread as a non-elitist, non-thug “defender of the people” and jump in here to claim that the events that occurred in Wisconsin were the result of elitist thuggary?

    You are always entertaining my friend."
    Im simply defending my point after it was brought upon me...
    I simply stated is this is what happens in a democracy stuff like this and democracy isnt a nice clean ordeal its messy...
    You are the one that brought this thread off topic i simply was and have been defending my points..


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    Re: Petition to recall Wisconsin GOP Sen. Sheila Harsdorf to be filed Tuesday

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    A bit premature there, aren't you?
    Not really. Your contention was that the "voters know what Walker ran on and it wasn't union busting". Rather strongly implying that the voters of WI do not like what Walker did.

    The re-election of Prosser (even with the desperate recount attempt of kloppenburg) shows that the majority of voters do actually like what Walker did.

    Prosser was re-elected even though most things favored democrats in this election. A typically low turnout election coupled with high emotions on the left and high profile local races in heavily democrat districts and no such high profile races in heavily republican areas.

    This is a victory for the voters and tax payers of WI. The bill being tied up (wrongly, IMO) in the courts does not change this.

    Yet, you still try to claim that voters are against Walker and his "union busting ways"? Shrug.

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    Re: Petition to recall Wisconsin GOP Sen. Sheila Harsdorf to be filed Tuesday

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    The judge is a stooge, the bill was passed legally, this is how Liberals operate, if they can't get their way they find a "friendly" judge and sue.
    Not only that, Wisconsin's Judge Maryann Sumi has a son, Jake Sinderbrand, who is a political operative and who also happens to be a former lead field manager with the AFL-CIO and data manager for the SEIU State Council. She should have recused herself from the case due to this clear conflict of interest.

    Judge Sumi and the Wisconsin Supremes
    Wisconsin Attorney General J.B. Van Hollen on Thursday filed a Petition for Supervisory Writ directly to the state Supreme Court over a circuit court judge's temporary blocking of a controversial bill that limits the rights of public employee unions. The suit claims that Dane County Circuit Court Judge Maryann Sumi did not have the constitutional authority to block the publication of the Budget Repair Bill . It then asks the Wisconsin Supreme Court . to immediately take jurisdiction of the case and dismiss it. A Petition for Supervisory Writ is not a direct appeal of any lower court decision, but rather a procedure that starts a new action altogether because the petitioner claims a judge violated his or her constitutional authority
    The later part of this statement needs to be emphasized. Attorney General Van Hollen is not asking the Supreme Court to rule that Judge Sumi's legal reasoning is wrong. He is arguing that neither Dane County District Ismael Ozanne who brought the case or Judge Sumi have any legal say in the matter. Specifically the argument is that under the Wisconsin constitution Judge Sumi has no authority to enjoin the legislature for allegedly failing to follow one of the legislature's own administrative procedures.
    The ruling will be slapped down for so many reasons it isnít even funny.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    It would seem that the constitution is just a god damn piece of paper, to be trotted out when expedient.

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