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    Re: Petition to recall Wisconsin GOP Sen. Sheila Harsdorf to be filed Tuesday

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Democracy and Socialist don't go together.
    Good as no one is trying to put them together. I do wish I'd see an original scare tactic used.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Petition to recall Wisconsin GOP Sen. Sheila Harsdorf to be filed Tuesday

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    Elitists? Thugs? Did you say the same thing about Democrats and Obama when they forced the health care law through in similar fashion?
    This would assume they are exactly the same thing. Can you support that they are?

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Petition to recall Wisconsin GOP Sen. Sheila Harsdorf to be filed Tuesday

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    The US is a democratic republic my friend. Democracies and republics overlap.. Republics are a representative government. How democratic they are depends on their structure and participation. Democracy just means all people have some say in government. A representative democracy is a kind of republic. What distinguishes a republic is that it has an elected government. Representative democracies are, therefor, a kind of republic. Self-appointed governments such as monarchies, dictatorships, oligarchies, theocracies and juntas are not republics. We are a representative democracy which is a form of a republic but not a pure democracy...
    If you're going to plaigerize:

    Quote Originally Posted by William P. Meyers
    ...The specific rules may vary: perhaps everyone must agree, perhaps there must be consensus, perhaps a mere majority is required to make a decision. The other, better known form of democracy is a representative democracy. People elect representative to make decisions or laws. Again, specifics vary greatly.

    And, surprise, a representative democracy is a kind of republic. What distinguishes a republic is that it has an elected government. Representative democracies are, therefor, a kind of republic. Self-appointed governments such as monarchies, dictatorships, oligarchies, theocracies and juntas are not republics. However, this still allows for a wide spectrum. The classic is the Roman Republic...
    America: Republic or Democracy?

    Why not pick someone that's an authority on the topic, instead of some Green Party schmuck who believes the principal aims of the American revolution were to protect slavery and steal land from Indians; and who claims the founders and other "predatory elite" only sought to wrest control from England so they could rule the colonies instead.

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    Re: Petition to recall Wisconsin GOP Sen. Sheila Harsdorf to be filed Tuesday

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA sorry ill put quotes around it next time and start listing my sources from here on out for ya....
    How are you going to aruge that a democracy is not a form of a republic this just baffles me...


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    Re: Petition to recall Wisconsin GOP Sen. Sheila Harsdorf to be filed Tuesday

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Good as no one is trying to put them together. I do wish I'd see an original scare tactic used.
    you mean other than thedemsocialist, right?
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    Re: Petition to recall Wisconsin GOP Sen. Sheila Harsdorf to be filed Tuesday

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    you mean other than thedemsocialist, right?
    Not sure he is, but I also don't see him as a concern. Do you?

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Petition to recall Wisconsin GOP Sen. Sheila Harsdorf to be filed Tuesday

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Not sure he is, but I also don't see him as a concern. Do you?
    not in the grand scheme of things..but hey, look at libertatians....they're proof positive that all manners of ideological hybrids and compounds are possible.
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    Re: Petition to recall Wisconsin GOP Sen. Sheila Harsdorf to be filed Tuesday

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    How are you going to aruge that a democracy is not a form of a republic this just baffles me...
    That's of course wrong - but not I think what you were arguing earlier. Certainly you agree that not all democracies are republics?

    I think it's enough to say that our government has elements of both. I would argue that the democratic elements operate at the state and local level (e.g. in deciding a referendum). The federal government is a republic plain and simple. People have no direct say whatsoever in its legislative, executive, or judicial functions. If some people find it more palatible to call it a "representative democracy" because 1/3 of it is elected democratically, then fine -- but the distinction is rhetorical - the government is the same either way (the few rule over the many).

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    Re: Petition to recall Wisconsin GOP Sen. Sheila Harsdorf to be filed Tuesday

    3 groups targeting Democrats for recalls to file signatures Thursday - JSOnline

    Recall campaigns targeting three Democratic state senators will file signatures on Thursday, their organizers say.

    The filings will be the first against Democrats after four recall campaigns against Republicans have filed. The campaigns against GOP senators have benefited from more coordination from state party headquarters and strong volunteer enthusiasm, with two of the efforts filing in half the time they were allotted to collect signatures.

    But the new filings mark a change in the political landscape.

    The campaigns against Sens. Dave Hansen (D-Green Bay), Jim Holperin (D-Conover) and Robert Wirch (D-Pleasant Prairie) said separately that they'll file enough signatures to force recall elections against each senator.
    Think this is important for republicans for the reason that the unions will have to cough-up some cash to defend these democrat's seats. So, less cash to provide to campaigns hoping to oust the republicans that may have to face recall elections.

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    Re: Petition to recall Wisconsin GOP Sen. Sheila Harsdorf to be filed Tuesday

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    4 down and 4 to go, although I believe that only 5 or possibly 6 out of the 8 will end up being recalled. Still, considering the difficulty of recall in Wisconsin, this is a very impressive number - Which goes to show you that, if you are elitist enough to believe that you can do anything you want after being elected, and act like thugs while doing it, you are going to be hammered for it.

    Folks, THIS is what Democracy looks like.

    Article is here.
    Yep, the Union must have stayed up all night to forge those signatures.

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