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    Re: Petition to recall Wisconsin GOP Sen. Sheila Harsdorf to be filed Tuesday

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    You really ought to study less Venezuelan and Cuban political science and do a little more studying of American political science.

    North Korea is a democratic republic, East Germany was a democratic republic, Congo is a democratic republic but the USA is not a democratic republic, it is a constitutional republic.

    Constitutional republic - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Democratic republic - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Thanks for the attempted history/political science lesson just the same.
    Thanks for posting Wikipedia articles... If you look at Republic on Wiki and scroll down look what you find "Democratic Republic — Republics where the people elect their representatives and may engage in some forms of popular referendums. Examples include the United States of America."
    You do realize you kind of just did prove my point? East Germany claimed to be a democratic republic, hell pretty much every country claims to be a democratic republic, but they really are not all democratic republics at all. Ever heard of a misnomer? Thats pretty much what the countries were...
    Let me try to explain this to ya..
    A democratic republic is a country with both a republic (what we have) and a democracy (what we have representative democracy). We elect representative to make decisions or laws. A representative democracy is a kind of republic. What distinguishes a republic is that it has an elected government. Representative democracies are, therefor, a kind of republic. "A distinct set of definitions for the word republic evolved in the United States. In common parlance a republic is a state that does not practice direct democracy but rather has a government indirectly controlled by the people. This is known as representative democracy. This understanding of the term was originally developed by James Madison, and notably employed in Federalist Paper No. 10. This meaning was widely adopted early in the history of the United States, including in Noah Webster's dictionary of 1828. It was a novel meaning to the term, representative democracy was not an idea mentioned by Machiavelli and did not exist in the classical republics."


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    Re: Petition to recall Wisconsin GOP Sen. Sheila Harsdorf to be filed Tuesday

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Democracy and Socialist don't go together.
    Right conservative macho American man..... Pretty ignorant and bold statement right there my friend.. What do you base this off? Do you have any proof?
    You do realize you cant just have an economic policy alone (socialism) without having some form of government (democracy/republic) right????
    Last time i checked socialism and democracy go hand in hand...
    Please come out of your westernized definition of socialism that you learn back in 8th grade...


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    Re: Petition to recall Wisconsin GOP Sen. Sheila Harsdorf to be filed Tuesday

    Just to give an idea of how quickly enough signatures can turn into not quite enough...

    Petitioners required 1,040 signautres to force a recall election on a WI alderman and submitted 1,607 signatures.

    The alderman's council was able to invalidate 575 signatures so that he will not face a recall election.


    Witkowiak recall signatures fall short - JSOnline

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    Re: Petition to recall Wisconsin GOP Sen. Sheila Harsdorf to be filed Tuesday

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Right conservative macho American man..... Pretty ignorant and bold statement right there my friend.. What do you base this off? Do you have any proof?
    You do realize you cant just have an economic policy alone (socialism) without having some form of government (democracy/republic) right????
    Last time i checked socialism and democracy go hand in hand...
    Please come out of your westernized definition of socialism that you learn back in 8th grade...
    Like I said once before, you're sig is most amusing. You're a "progressive socialist in favor of democracy" Yet you then say Gov't should fear the people. Do you realize the Irony? I think you do. Socialism requires Centralized control, something not conducive with "democracy". This is why America is a Representative Republic, so the Government is forced to FEAR THE PEOPLE. Doing it your way, the People have to fear the Government. Come back to yus when you get out of the coffee house and freshmen year poli-sci classes.

    Let me ask you an honest question, where do you want America to "progress too? Hmmm?
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    Re: Petition to recall Wisconsin GOP Sen. Sheila Harsdorf to be filed Tuesday

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    You said

    I just gave you 4 examples where they do. All are provided by individuals for the the benefit of the common good. That is socialism chosen through our Democratic process.
    No, you didn't, you repeated talking points you read off the back of a Prius.
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    Re: Petition to recall Wisconsin GOP Sen. Sheila Harsdorf to be filed Tuesday

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Liberals agee with the majority of Americans, with the progresive tax laws supported Constitutionally for over a half century that taxes proportionally to means. Americans have supported this as the most fair system for over a half Century.
    Americans have never had a say in taxes. If they did, we wouldn't have the ****ed up tax system that we do.
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    Re: Petition to recall Wisconsin GOP Sen. Sheila Harsdorf to be filed Tuesday

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Americans have never had a say in taxes. If they did, we wouldn't have the ****ed up tax system that we do.
    So you are against the American form of government?
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    Re: Petition to recall Wisconsin GOP Sen. Sheila Harsdorf to be filed Tuesday

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Democracy is a messy think pal. How did the democrats force the health care law down our throats again? Did they really force it down? Obama campaigned on it for two years!! Walker did not campaign on getting rid of labor rights and collective bargaining rights.. Obamacare was not some surprise legislation like Walkers "budget bill"..
    by locking out and ignoring gop input. by forceing a vote on voters that could not possibly know what was in it. the way they handled this put me in the gop camp for midterms.
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    Re: Petition to recall Wisconsin GOP Sen. Sheila Harsdorf to be filed Tuesday

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Liberals agee with the majority of Americans, with the progresive tax laws supported Constitutionally for over a half century that taxes proportionally to means. Americans have supported this as the most fair system for over a half Century.
    For most of the last Century American's didn't have much information on alternatives, and even today so much as suggesting changing the tax laws to something actually fair to all causes a media firestorm, endless laments about the poor being victimized by the rich blah blah blah...

    The Tax system as is is so great we're borrowing so much money our great grand kids are paying the interest on it.
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    Re: Petition to recall Wisconsin GOP Sen. Sheila Harsdorf to be filed Tuesday

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Like I said once before, you're sig is most amusing. You're a "progressive socialist in favor of democracy" Yet you then say Gov't should fear the people. Do you realize the Irony? I think you do. Socialism requires Centralized control, something not conducive with "democracy". This is why America is a Representative Republic, so the Government is forced to FEAR THE PEOPLE. Doing it your way, the People have to fear the Government. Come back to yus when you get out of the coffee house and freshmen year poli-sci classes.

    Let me ask you an honest question, where do you want America to "progress too? Hmmm?
    Socialsim does not require centralized control... Worker managed economy. Ownership of the enterprise can take various forms of worker co-ops, and planning is done in a democratic manner. That is pretty much socialism in a nut shell, and it is not centralized. The workers direct the economy not the state... Full centralized socialism has proven to fail.
    You do realize there are many forms of socialism, right?
    What do i want America to "progress too"? More just society, more respect for human rights, more peaceful society, one where you have the right to education, work, healthcare, and housing. One where workers have more say in the economy and decisions that affect them. I want in to progress to democratic socialism...


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