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    Re: Petition to recall Wisconsin GOP Sen. Sheila Harsdorf to be filed Tuesday

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    its very easy to see from which side the attacks are coming from.
    yup

    they're coming from detroit's city managers and the boston state legislature

    "vote obama, 2012: it's all about collective bargaining!"

    LOL!

    except: Obama Shies Away From Union Protests

    still looking for those comfortable shoes, apparently

    how ya gonna campaign without em?

    oh well

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    Re: Petition to recall Wisconsin GOP Sen. Sheila Harsdorf to be filed Tuesday

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Who told you that, Glenn Beck? No I was talking about the majority of Americans that want Medicare left just the way it is
    Oh.... well you said GOP budget. Taking all factors into consideration, including Medicare, older adults tend to prefer the Ryan plan. Only high school "seniors" prefer the Democrat plan.
    A Gallup poll out this week contained an interesting finding —Ryan's plan does better than President Obama's debt-reduction plan with every age group except the young. Even more interesting, support goes up with each age group, to the point where almost half (48%) of seniors prefer Ryan's plan to the 42% who prefer Obama's. This despite the major changes Ryan proposes for Medicare.
    Gallup also found that congressional Republicans have the edge with the public when it comes to handling the budget, with 48% saying they think the GOP would do better, compared with just 36% who think Democrats would.
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    Re: Petition to recall Wisconsin GOP Sen. Sheila Harsdorf to be filed Tuesday

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    You think cutting funding is going to make it better do you?

    I'm not an education "expert" or anything, I just raised two children through the school system and saw the flaws through a parents eyes. The problem I see is one of top loaded systems where career administrators, hold redundant positions, at high salaries, taking money away from the real goal which is to educate. That, and items like bloated pensions, and inability to fire substandard employees of that system means huge waste, and at our children's expense.

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    Re: Petition to recall Wisconsin GOP Sen. Sheila Harsdorf to be filed Tuesday

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    No doubt the class war is on. The only question is if the working class and the elderly in this country will fight back come election time. There is every indication they will.
    The only people who think positively about unions are those who are in them. That's, let's see, 14% of the population. As to "the elderly?" What the hell are they going to fight back about? Seniors in this country have got it made. That doesn't mean they're all 'comfortable,' but it does mean they have awesome healthcare available for a pittance...they get property tax breaks...licensing breaks...they have access to great social services. Just what do you think they're going to fight about? Unless the Democrats lie...and they'd never do that, would they??
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    Re: Petition to recall Wisconsin GOP Sen. Sheila Harsdorf to be filed Tuesday

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    The only people who think positively about unions are those who are in them. That's, let's see, 14% of the population. As to "the elderly?" What the hell are they going to fight back about? Seniors in this country have got it made. That doesn't mean they're all 'comfortable,' but it does mean they have awesome healthcare available for a pittance...they get property tax breaks...licensing breaks...they have access to great social services. Just what do you think they're going to fight about? Unless the Democrats lie...and they'd never do that, would they??

    Noooooo, ofcourse not....




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    Re: Petition to recall Wisconsin GOP Sen. Sheila Harsdorf to be filed Tuesday

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    The only people who think positively about unions are those who are in them. That's, let's see, 14% of the population. As to "the elderly?" What the hell are they going to fight back about? Seniors in this country have got it made. That doesn't mean they're all 'comfortable,' but it does mean they have awesome healthcare available for a pittance...they get property tax breaks...licensing breaks...they have access to great social services. Just what do you think they're going to fight about? Unless the Democrats lie...and they'd never do that, would they??
    How old are you? I'm just wondering how you may change in time.

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    Re: Petition to recall Wisconsin GOP Sen. Sheila Harsdorf to be filed Tuesday

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    "vote obama, 2012: it's all about collective bargaining!"
    Class war in America

    "Class, and especially middle class, is an effectively slippery category in American political discourse. It refers to everyone and no one. The U.S. Census Bureau does not use or define “middle class,” but has set the median income for a family of four in 2008-2009 at $70,000. A 2008 Pew Research survey found half of all Americans describe themselves as middle class.

    Most Americans recognize class struggle in, on the one side, the ceaseless reports of high-levels of unemployment, increasing foreclosures and mounting unpaid bills and, on the other, in the skyrocketing stock market and unspeakable bonuses paid to financial wheeler-dealers. This presents one very powerful representation of class difference, but obfuscates the deeper conflict over the growing polarization of wealth in America.

    According to NYU economist Edward Wolff, wealth is becoming increasingly concentrated. In the 15 years between 1983 and 2007, the share of wealth owned by the nation’s top 1 percent households grew to 34.6 percent from 33.8 percent; and the top 20 percent of U.S. households in 2007 controlled 85 percent of the nation’s wealth, up from 81.3 percent in ’83. The fate of America’s vast “middle class,” the remaining 80 percent, has only gotten more dire: in 2007, it controlled 15 percent, down from 18.7 percent in 1983.

    It is time for Americans to reclaim the concept of class war. This needs to be done for two reasons: first, to actively combat the great squeeze ruining the lives of untold millions of Americans faced with financial catastrophe; and, second, to end the campaign by the super-rich (in league with government tax policies, subsidies and other give-aways) and the media to keep alive the fiction of America is a classless society free of class war. "
    David Rosen: Class War in America
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    Re: Petition to recall Wisconsin GOP Sen. Sheila Harsdorf to be filed Tuesday

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    Oh.... well you said GOP budget. Taking all factors into consideration, including Medicare, older adults tend to prefer the Ryan plan. Only high school "seniors" prefer the Democrat plan.
    Not so you would notice:

    "The Tea Party movement is supposed to be the engine driving Republicans' push for sharp cuts to spending and reform entitlements. Representative Paul Ryan's 2012 budget, which passed the House last week, phases out Medicare for people under 55 and turns Medicaid into block grants. But it turns out that Tea Partiers, like most Americans, strongly oppose cutting Medicare and Medicaid. A new McClatchy-Marist poll shows 70 percent of "Tea Party supporters" oppose cutting those programs--and 80 percent of registered voters agree."

    70% of Tea Partiers Don't Want to Cut Medicare Either - Yahoo! News

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    Re: Petition to recall Wisconsin GOP Sen. Sheila Harsdorf to be filed Tuesday

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I'm not an education "expert" or anything, I just raised two children through the school system and saw the flaws through a parents eyes. The problem I see is one of top loaded systems where career administrators, hold redundant positions, at high salaries, taking money away from the real goal which is to educate. That, and items like bloated pensions, and inability to fire substandard employees of that system means huge waste, and at our children's expense. j-mac
    Let's see your proof that non-union states have higher academic scorces?
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    Re: Petition to recall Wisconsin GOP Sen. Sheila Harsdorf to be filed Tuesday

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    The only people who think positively about unions are those who are in them.?
    The polls show otherwise:

    "Americans strongly oppose laws taking away the collective bargaining power of public employee unions"


    "Poll: Americans Support Collective Bargaining Rights"
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