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    Re: Petition to recall Wisconsin GOP Sen. Sheila Harsdorf to be filed Tuesday

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    They're salaried professionals working 9 months. To take a private sector employee that works 12 months and compare the salary to a teacher that works 9 months is not a fair comparison. It's easiest to break them both down to an hourly rate, which I assume is where they come up with the 4% difference. I do not know if they are including pensions in the difference or not, but regardless. To have only a 4% difference in salary and get 3 months off and a nice pension and other benefits, is a more then fair trade off. Teachers that work during the summer (isn't that just 1 extra month in the summer - I could be wrong on that) are paid additional salary.

    I wouldn't make a good teacher, but if I thought I had the skill set I would be all over it. The 4% hit is greatly overwhelmed by the benefits associated.

    And no. While there are also obstacles to firing a private sector employee, the obstacles are not nearly as difficult to climb over and the cost is not even in the ballpark of the cost assocaited with firing a tenured teacher.
    Many other professionals get extended times off, but as I have said, teacher do work during the summer. I don't mean extra classes, or things they get paid for. There are a lot of continuing ed they need, changes to laws they have to update on, and so on. Sometimes on top of this, they accept an extra class, for which they are paid, much like overtime for others, but summers are often full with things they have to do and pay for.

    I've worked a lot in the private sector, at hospitals for example, and I there were very specific standards. They could not just fire me. They had to work through the procedures. Even at nursing homes, where aids were often considered a dime a dozen, there were procedures.

    As to why it cost so much to fire a teacher, I can see where they're getting their costs from. I would love to see a break down. But I also would blame those who negotiated with them. No law made anyone signing anything that would be that expensive.

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    Re: Petition to recall Wisconsin GOP Sen. Sheila Harsdorf to be filed Tuesday

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    We're all entitled to our opinion. But some opinions are just silly. You should take Danarhea up on his bet (see link).

    Walker has a decent chance of being recalled, due to Madison and Milwaukee. But, i'm not even sure on that. Polls show only 44% vs 51 percent think he should be recalled. But he senators, not so much.

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...ob-cowles.html
    I'll check out Danarhea's thread, thanks!
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    Re: Petition to recall Wisconsin GOP Sen. Sheila Harsdorf to be filed Tuesday

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Many other professionals get extended times off
    3 months?

    on the taxpayers' time?

    MILLIONS of em?

    everywhere there're 30 kids there's a school teacher

    There are a lot of continuing ed they need, changes to laws they have to update on, and so on.
    for every 15 units completed, teachers move over a column on the pay scale

    in my district it comes to a raise of 1800 dollars per year---every year for the rest of our careers

    and it also greatly increases our pensions, which are already 400% of social security

    but summers are often full with things they have to do and pay for.
    you don't know what you're talking about

    Even at nursing homes, where aids were often considered a dime a dozen, there were procedures.
    i know

    a quarter million dollars worth

    LOL!

    No law made anyone signing anything that would be that expensive.
    there's no real need to make excuses

    no one's blaming

    it's just a big problem which needs fixing

    grow up
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    Re: Petition to recall Wisconsin GOP Sen. Sheila Harsdorf to be filed Tuesday

    To fix a problem you have to understand it. Demonizing teachers is the wrong track to take. Try negotiating better.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Petition to recall Wisconsin GOP Sen. Sheila Harsdorf to be filed Tuesday

    gotta reform that teacher tenure

    f-i-x

    grow up

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    Re: Petition to recall Wisconsin GOP Sen. Sheila Harsdorf to be filed Tuesday

    Again, to fix, you have to understand the problem. Either address that, or move on.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Petition to recall Wisconsin GOP Sen. Sheila Harsdorf to be filed Tuesday

    LOL!

    the problem is it takes a quarter million to eliminate a bad teacher

    grow up

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    Re: Petition to recall Wisconsin GOP Sen. Sheila Harsdorf to be filed Tuesday

    Someone call me when she IS recalled / fired
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    Re: Petition to recall Wisconsin GOP Sen. Sheila Harsdorf to be filed Tuesday

    Battle line Drawn in Wisconsin

    Austerity Attacks and Union-Busting

    "Across the country, Democratic politicians as well as Republicans are demanding major wage and benefit concessions from public-sector workers, along with horrific cutbacks in social services that will hit all working and poor people. The politicians justify their attacks on the grounds that state budgets have been crimped by the unfolding of the world economic crisis. Indeed, the Great Recession and the threat of an all-out Depression is real, even though Republican and Democratic politicians have worsened the budget deficits by granting tax breaks to the rich and corporations, on top of the huge bailouts to Wall Street. World capitalism has been stagnating for four decades; gains in profit rates have been achieved only by deepening the exploitation of workers in the economically advanced countries like the U.S. as well as expanding the imperialist super-exploitation of workers and peasants in the poor countries.

    In Wisconsin, Governor Walker has taken the attack to a new level: he insists on the abrogation of public-sector union rights to negotiate over anything but small variations in wages. In effect, he wants government bosses to be able to dictate job conditions to destroy pensions and benefit packages without even consultation. This is out-and-out union-busting.

    The nationwide public-sector austerity attack is a classical divide-and-conquer technique. It aims to convince workers in the private sector, as well as other beleaguered sectors of the population, that public workers, not the capitalist system, are the root of the problems with state and municipal budgets, the quality of education, etc. The capitalist class and its politicians hope to set back public-worker unions and use that precedent to take back more from private-sector workers and other already suffering sectors of the population. Walker & Co. go further: they want to crush unions as defensive organizations of the working class as a step in a longer term effort to further slash the wages and conditions of all workers, union and non-union.

    The Democratic (and some Republican) politicians who do not favor all-out union busting at this time are not heroes – they simply understand that the current union labor leadership is totally loyal to the capitalist system and can be depended upon to keep the rank and file upsurge within limits that don’t rock the boat. They want to keep the union leaders in their “seat at the table” in order to protect the image of fairness. They fear the class explosions that could occur and spread under the impact of union-busting. "
    Battle Line Drawn in Wisconsin
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    Re: Petition to recall Wisconsin GOP Sen. Sheila Harsdorf to be filed Tuesday

    today: MA House votes to limit bargaining on health care - The Boston Globe

    last week: Detroit Moves Against Unions - WSJ.com

    dark blue massachusetts and deep blue detroit

    no stopping it, friends

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