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    Re: Petition to recall Wisconsin GOP Sen. Sheila Harsdorf to be filed Tuesday

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    They are largely underpaid.
    that's a matter of opinion

    for me, 75K for nine months of six hour days t'aint bad

    The (sic) often work during the summer.
    imagine that!

    having to work!

    we get paid on top of our salaries if we do

    The (sic) often spend their own money on supplies for students.
    very rarely and very little

    this year, for instance, donorschoose.org is the rage

    several teachers at my school have gotten elmo's!

    FREE!

    Pensions vary across the country.
    and they beat social security by hundreds of percents

    but that's not really saying much since social security is such a ripoff

    If you're (sic) become a teacher for the reasons he mentioned, you will be sadly disappointed.
    oh, no, it's a marvelous profession

    i highly recommend it, i tell all my students---become a teacher

    very few of us commute, by the way, on top of all our other cushy perks

    if i could do it again, i'd do pe---shoot hoops and coach football FOREVER!

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    Re: Petition to recall Wisconsin GOP Sen. Sheila Harsdorf to be filed Tuesday

    They don't always get paid. Often they ahve to pay, for more training, more accredidation, etc.

    And no, it is actually common for them to spend their own money. Not rare at all.

    Hogue is one of the millions of teachers across the country who are shelling out their own hard-earned cash to pay for books, pens, pencils and other basic supplies that schools have provided in the past.

    According to a new survey, teachers spent an average of $448 of their own money on instructional materials and school supplies for the 1998-99 school year.

    Teachers Spend Own Money for Supplies - ABC News

    The National School Supply & Equipment Association says teachers spent $1.33 billion dollars out of their own pockets in the 2009-2010 school year to equip their classrooms with everything from craft supplies to software and games.

    http://www.poynter.org/latest-news/a...hool-supplies/

    Many people may not be aware of this, but it is a fact that most teachers spend a good deal of their own money on supplies for their students and classrooms each year. In some cases, if teachers did not do this, the students would have to do without certain items.

    Teachers Spend Their Own Money On Their Classrooms

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    Re: Petition to recall Wisconsin GOP Sen. Sheila Harsdorf to be filed Tuesday

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    They don't always get paid.
    for working thru summer?

    LOL!

    you don't know what you're talking about

    Often they ahve (sic) to pay, for more training, more accredidation (sic), etc.
    accredidation?

    yup, we pay for units, just over 100 bucks each

    for every 15 units we move over on the pay scale, significant salary raise---every year for the rest of our lives

    complaints?

    And no, it is actually common for them to spend their own money.
    1.3 billion dollars on construction paper

    LOL!

    according to surveys of teachers

    poor mrs murphy, the mathematician

    so underpaid for her 181 contractual days of 6 hours, she had to wait tables one summer

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    Re: Petition to recall Wisconsin GOP Sen. Sheila Harsdorf to be filed Tuesday

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    They are largely underpaid. The often work during the summer. The often spend their own money on supplies for students. Pensions vary across the country. Comparatively, with equal education and effort, they are not on the top of the heap. If you're become a teacher for the reasons he mentioned, you will be sadly disappointed.
    According to the link you provided, and assuming the study was accurate, teachers recieve 4% less compensation then their private sector equivalents. I'd be willing to give up 4.0% up front pay for the job security, pension and time off that teachers enjoy.

    There is a reason that PS employees don't have a large turnover and there are many that want to enter the ranks. And it's not solely "to make a difference". Unless, you truly think that the street and sans guy is trying to 'make a difference".

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    Re: Petition to recall Wisconsin GOP Sen. Sheila Harsdorf to be filed Tuesday

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    You heard wrong. 3 democrats, will face recall elections. Based on the Prosser vote, those three democrats are in danger of being recalled.
    Wisconsin recall efforts paint clear picture

    "Republicans are failing to obtain the necessary signatures to do so while Democrats are having success."
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    Re: Petition to recall Wisconsin GOP Sen. Sheila Harsdorf to be filed Tuesday

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    According to the link you provided, and assuming the study was accurate, teachers recieve 4% less compensation then their private sector equivalents. I'd be willing to give up 4.0% up front pay for the job security, pension and time off that teachers enjoy.

    There is a reason that PS employees don't have a large turnover and there are many that want to enter the ranks. And it's not solely "to make a difference". Unless, you truly think that the street and sans guy is trying to 'make a difference".
    The job is not much more secure than any other. Being union does not mean you can't be fired. Teachers are fired and laid off regularly.

    School authorities across the nation are warning thousands of teachers that they could lose their jobs in June, raising the possibility that America’s public schools may see the most extensive layoffs of their teaching staffs in decades.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/31/ed...31layoffs.html

    Union Estimates 19,000 Teacher Layoff Slips So Far In California

    Union Estimates 19,000 Teacher Layoff Slips So Far In California

    It is a myth that teacher tenure provides a guarantee of lifetime employment. Tenure is no more than a legal commitment (set by the state and negotiated union contracts) to procedural due process, ensuring notice and providing a hearing for generally accepted reasons for termination, such as incompetency, insubordination, and immorality.

    The Answer Sheet - The myth of teacher tenure

    Having a process for firing is not equal to be unable to fire.

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    Re: Petition to recall Wisconsin GOP Sen. Sheila Harsdorf to be filed Tuesday

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Wisconsin recall efforts paint clear picture

    "Republicans are failing to obtain the necessary signatures to do so while Democrats are having success."
    Yeah... it's a little hard to make progress when this happens...

    Weasel Zippers Blog Archive Union Protestors in Wisconsin Destroy Democrat Recall Petitions and Police Do Nothing
    Upon arrival, members of the recall committee were encircled by union protesters carrying signs and a leader with a mega phone who began chanting and ranting loudly. They packed in tightly around the petition collection table so as to prevent those attempting to sign from doing so. At one point, a pro union protester, pretending to be interested in signing the petition, wrote profanity across a partially collected petition form, than began ripping up the completed petitions that were in close proximity.

    The policemen who were there, and who were standing in close proximity to these events as they unfolded, did nothing to assist those collecting the petitions as they were being destroyed, despite such an action being a Felony under Wisconsin law. Police also did nothing to clear the walk way for citizens that wanted to sign the petitions.
    And before you whine that there is no proof this happened...



    I await your spin.

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    Re: Petition to recall Wisconsin GOP Sen. Sheila Harsdorf to be filed Tuesday

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    Yeah... it's a little hard to make progress when this happens...

    Weasel Zippers Blog Archive Union Protestors in Wisconsin Destroy Democrat Recall Petitions and Police Do Nothing


    And before you whine that there is no proof this happened...



    I await your spin.
    Did you actually look at the video you posted. Where was the proof supposed to be? No spin necessary until you have something more credible than what your posted here from a blog that proudly claims its "Souring the bowels of the internet" LOL!
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    Re: Petition to recall Wisconsin GOP Sen. Sheila Harsdorf to be filed Tuesday

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Did you actually look at the video you posted. Where was the proof supposed to be? No spin necessary until you have something more credible than what your posted here from a blog that proudly claims its "Souring the bowels of the internet" LOL!
    As I thought. Presented with physical evidence, you claim there is none.

    At one point, a pro union protester, pretending to be interested in signing the petition, wrote profanity across a partially collected petition form, than began ripping up the completed petitions that were in close proximity.
    The results of this are CLEARLY shown in the video. You can SEE what was written on the petitiojn, and the tears.

    But of course, by all means, denty it. Simply makes you look foolish and partisan.

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    Re: Petition to recall Wisconsin GOP Sen. Sheila Harsdorf to be filed Tuesday

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Having a process for firing is not equal to be unable to fire.
    oh, yes, indeed, it is possible to fire a tenured teacher for performance

    it's just very, very difficult

    ask any tenured teacher

    in other words, you don't know what you're talking about

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