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    Re: Petition to recall Wisconsin GOP Sen. Sheila Harsdorf to be filed Tuesday

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    It's important that we not base our opinions on faulty assumptions. Assuming that tax cuts lead to jobs is not supported by studies, and it is important to recognize this.

    As for Wisconsin, that too is more complicated than blaming either the unions or tax cuts. If you busted the union completely, did away with all their benefits, you would not save Wisconsin. Like the federal government, you need a combination of efforts, and the burden should not be placed on the least capable alone.
    The real question should be what will the taxes be used for, not whether the lack of them creates jobs. Congress needs to justify the taking of money from people, not whether they are allowed to keep it.
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    Re: Petition to recall Wisconsin GOP Sen. Sheila Harsdorf to be filed Tuesday

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    As for Wisconsin, that too is more complicated than blaming either the unions or tax cuts. If you busted the union completely, did away with all their benefits, you would not save Wisconsin. Like the federal government, you need a combination of efforts, and the burden should not be placed on the least capable alone.
    Wow, no kidding. Lots of reasons why WI is in such a large deficit spending? Genius, I tell you.

    Anyway, ignoring the obvious statement...

    Addressing the pieces of the budet that are the highest percentage of spending is necessary. Unfortunately, in WI and most other states, some of the highest percentage of their spending is PSU compensation. It has to be addressed in order to have a chance of getting a handle on their deficit.

    Not addressing PSU employee spending on the state level would be similar to not addressing entitlements and military spending on the ederal level and still believing you can pay back the deficit.

    Reversing the small tax cuts that were recently passed in WI, will not make a dent in their deficit or overall budget contrary to what many of your friends on the left think.

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    Re: Petition to recall Wisconsin GOP Sen. Sheila Harsdorf to be filed Tuesday

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    Reversing the small tax cuts that were recently passed in WI, will not make a dent in their deficit or overall budget contrary to what many of your friends on the left think.
    Your accounting methods seem highly selective and based on something other than actuall dollars and cents.

    I, and most conservatives, believe there is a benefit to tax cuts in attracting businesses.
    Now that clears it up... you BELIEVE. There in a nutshell is why this country is going to hell on a roller coaster and the right wing is busy greasing the tracks.
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    Re: Petition to recall Wisconsin GOP Sen. Sheila Harsdorf to be filed Tuesday

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Your accounting methods seem highly selective and based on something other than actuall dollars and cents..
    Yes, because lets face it. Reversing a less then 1% cost to a budget while ignoring a 20 percent cost to the budget is the way to go and will get WI right back to a ship shape financial picture.

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    Re: Petition to recall Wisconsin GOP Sen. Sheila Harsdorf to be filed Tuesday

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    Wow, no kidding. Lots of reasons why WI is in such a large deficit spending? Genius, I tell you.

    Anyway, ignoring the obvious statement...

    Addressing the pieces of the budet that are the highest percentage of spending is necessary. Unfortunately, in WI and most other states, some of the highest percentage of their spending is PSU compensation. It has to be addressed in order to have a chance of getting a handle on their deficit.

    Not addressing PSU employee spending on the state level would be similar to not addressing entitlements and military spending on the ederal level and still believing you can pay back the deficit.

    Reversing the small tax cuts that were recently passed in WI, will not make a dent in their deficit or overall budget contrary to what many of your friends on the left think.
    Much is not complicated here, so of course much will be obvious. Neither effort by ittself will touch the WI budget, and that is the point. However, some reading:

    Are Wisconsin Public Employees Over-Compensated?

    (snip)

    Conclusion: Wisconsin public employees are not overpaid

    The earnings equation estimates indicate that state and local government employees in Wisconsin are not overpaid.
    Rather, local and state public employees are undercompensated.

    http://epi.3cdn.net/9e237c56096a8e4904_rkm6b9hn1.pdf

    News from EPI: EPI study finds, Wisconsin public-sector workers under-compensated

    Budget Adjustment Bill Does Not Actually Repair the Budget

    http://www.wisconsinbudgetproject.or...omparisons.pdf

    It’s true, however, that they will add $117.2 million to the projected $3.6 billion budget gap in the next two-year budget cycle, which begins July 1, 2011, Lang says. So, the tax cuts make the deficit larger in next budget cycle, but not this one.

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    Re: Petition to recall Wisconsin GOP Sen. Sheila Harsdorf to be filed Tuesday

    LOL!

    what self respecting poster would try to pass off epi and wccf as links?

    pathetic

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    Re: Petition to recall Wisconsin GOP Sen. Sheila Harsdorf to be filed Tuesday

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    Probably. Republicans are always for or against crap when it is politically convenient. Democrats are no different though so we’re basically screwed aren’t we?
    Not really - if you are middle-class you are for certain screwed when the Reps are in, if you are wealthy, you may not get to keep as much when Dems are in, but you probably are not screwed either way.



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    Re: Petition to recall Wisconsin GOP Sen. Sheila Harsdorf to be filed Tuesday

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Much is not complicated here, so of course much will be obvious. Neither effort by ittself will touch the WI budget, and that is the point. However, some reading:

    Are Wisconsin Public Employees Over-Compensated?

    (snip)

    Conclusion: Wisconsin public employees are not overpaid

    The earnings equation estimates indicate that state and local government employees in Wisconsin are not overpaid.
    Rather, local and state public employees are undercompensated.

    http://epi.3cdn.net/9e237c56096a8e4904_rkm6b9hn1.pdf

    News from EPI: EPI study finds, Wisconsin public-sector workers under-compensated
    That must be the reason there is such a shortage of public sector employees and the public sector has such high turnover rates. Yeah...

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    Re: Petition to recall Wisconsin GOP Sen. Sheila Harsdorf to be filed Tuesday

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    That must be the reason there is such a shortage of public sector employees and the public sector has such high turnover rates. Yeah...
    Or maybe there are other reasons. Few teachers for example are in the profession for money alone. Most are actually good people working hard to make a real difference.

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    Re: Petition to recall Wisconsin GOP Sen. Sheila Harsdorf to be filed Tuesday

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Few teachers for example are in the profession for money alone.
    link?

    Most are actually good people working hard to make a real difference.
    don't forget the short work days, 3 months paid vacation, untouchable status of tenure...

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