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    Re: Petition to recall Wisconsin GOP Sen. Sheila Harsdorf to be filed Tuesday

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    The so be it, let WI. travel down the road it wishes to travel because it will definitely not be alone, many other states will accompany WI. down the road to insolvency. All union contracts, private contracts etc. will become null and void no matter what the wish at that point. This isn't a right or left thing, this is about money you either have it or you don't and currently our country the USA doesn't have it, along with just about we very state. We can sit here and blame on side or the other, it doesn't make a bit a difference, we have over spent, over borrowed and we are now broke, something has to give and the taxpayer I believe is had enough, or at least I have anyway.
    Actually, there WAS NO INSOLVENCY when Walker first took office, although there was a budget deficit that needed to be addressed. Walker campaigned on that. What is the first thing Walker did? Gave huge tax breaks to the rich, and to corporations, after accepting campaign cash from the Koch Brothers. What is the second thing Walker did? Attempted to balance what was now a HUGE deficit, due to those tax cuts, on the backs of the teachers.
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    Re: Petition to recall Wisconsin GOP Sen. Sheila Harsdorf to be filed Tuesday

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    Actually, there WAS NO INSOLVENCY when Walker first took office, although there was a budget deficit that needed to be addressed. Walker campaigned on that. What is the first thing Walker did? Gave huge tax breaks to the rich, and to corporations, after accepting campaign cash from the Koch Brothers. What is the second thing Walker did? Attempted to balance what was now a HUGE deficit, due to those tax cuts, on the backs of the teachers.
    You either give the tax break to big corporations or they leave the state, now you have a unemployment problem if the corporations do leave, not to mention no tax revenue . The rich, well they pay about 10 to 17 percent regardless of tax breaks or no tax breaks, the rich will always pay about this much. That said, it is still far more money going into the system than your average tax payer. This is why I advocate a very simple tax code, a flat tax 15 percent no right offs.

    Most states have been broke for some time now, states such as WI. just borrow the money to pay their bills, kiting checks so to speak which will eventualy catch up to the writer of those checks.

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    Re: Petition to recall Wisconsin GOP Sen. Sheila Harsdorf to be filed Tuesday

    Quote Originally Posted by deltabtry View Post
    The Governor of course so when the unions wish to petition the recall of the governor they therefore defy the will of the people do they not.
    If the Governor had run on ending collective bargaining that would be true, but since he didn't, it is obviously not true.


    Now if it is truly the citizens of WI. who wish this recall to go through, then so be it.
    Amen!


    When WI. goes into insolvency then the all other states in this union should deny any assistance ie; bailouts to the state of Wisconsin.
    If things get bad they can just discontinue the new tax breaks they provided for the corporations!

    The faster the people of WI. realize that their state is broke then the faster to the road of recovery WI. will be on.
    The problem for Walker lies in the fact that the people of WI realize it wasn't lavish lifestyles of their teachers, police, and firefighters that caused the financial problems the state is facing.
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    Re: Petition to recall Wisconsin GOP Sen. Sheila Harsdorf to be filed Tuesday

    Quote Originally Posted by deltabtry View Post
    You either give the tax break to big corporations or they leave the state, now you have a unemployment problem if the corporations do leave, not to mention no tax revenue . The rich, well they pay about 10 to 17 percent regardless of tax breaks or no tax breaks, the rich will always pay about this much. That said, it is still far more money going into the system than your average tax payer. This is why I advocate a very simple tax code, a flat tax 15 percent no right offs.

    Most states have been broke for some time now, states such as WI. just borrow the money to pay their bills, kiting checks so to speak which will eventualy catch up to the writer of those checks.
    A flat tax I totally agree with you on. Let's call it the fair tax.... Oops, somebody already came up with that. LOL. Another benefit of the Fair Tax is that we can then eliminate a hell of a lot of overhead by eliminating the IRS. That will help reduce the deficit too.
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    Re: Petition to recall Wisconsin GOP Sen. Sheila Harsdorf to be filed Tuesday

    Quote Originally Posted by deltabtry View Post
    You either give the tax break to big corporations or they leave the state, now you have a unemployment problem if the corporations do leave, not to mention no tax revenue . The rich, well they pay about 10 to 17 percent regardless of tax breaks or no tax breaks, the rich will always pay about this much. That said, it is still far more money going into the system than your average tax payer. This is why I advocate a very simple tax code, a flat tax 15 percent no right offs.

    Most states have been broke for some time now, states such as WI. just borrow the money to pay their bills, kiting checks so to speak which will eventualy catch up to the writer of those checks.

    A regressive tax system helped create our problems, an even more regressive tax system will only make them worse. We should be providing targeted tax cuts to those actually creating jobs, not for simply being rich or being a corporation like the oil companies that are not creating new jobs in this country. And we should be increasing compensation for teachers to attract the best and brightest to the profession. Without this increased investment in our future, we face becoming just another third world country.
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    Re: Petition to recall Wisconsin GOP Sen. Sheila Harsdorf to be filed Tuesday

    Quote Originally Posted by m4rgery View Post
    So removing a single facet equals a 'busted' union?

    Seems someone has been feeding you a 5 course meal of disinformation.
    The ability to collectively bargain is what makes a union a union, without that they have nothing.


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    Re: Petition to recall Wisconsin GOP Sen. Sheila Harsdorf to be filed Tuesday

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    If the Governor had run on ending collective bargaining that would be true, but since he didn't, it is obviously not true.
    Well the governor ran on ending the debt crisis did he not, meaning hard choices where to be made.









    If things get bad they can just discontinue the new tax breaks they provided for the corporations! :
    Remember corporation don't have to stay in Wisconsin, corporation can pick up and move to a right to work state and a state with a cheaper tax rate. Government employees and private employees generally can not make that choice with out some sort of consequences.


    The problem for Walker lies in the fact that the people of WI realize it wasn't lavish lifestyles of their teachers, police, and firefighters that caused the financial problems the state is fac
    It's wasn't strictly the pay. it was the extended benefit package that cost the state. Now if the people of Wisconsin wish to pay for it with a higher tax rate so be it, it's on them. If this is the case then they should do their home work and pay attention to who is running for governor. Wisconsin if it continues down this road will lose it corporations to more friendly states. State employees will be laid off eventually, payments made by IOU's and then eventually insolvency and then there isn't a damn the unions can do. Again this will be up to the people of Wisconsin, perhaps they should pay close attention to California, New York, Connecticut, Michigan and Illinois. Her majors cities will begin look like Detroit.

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    Re: Petition to recall Wisconsin GOP Sen. Sheila Harsdorf to be filed Tuesday

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    The ability to collectively bargain is what makes a union a union, without that they have nothing.
    A company that we deal with thought the same thing so it went union. Out of 50 employees they now have about 10 left and these jobs will also go through attrition and their jobs will be out sourced to third party contractors.

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    Re: Petition to recall Wisconsin GOP Sen. Sheila Harsdorf to be filed Tuesday

    Quote Originally Posted by deltabtry View Post
    Well the governor ran on ending the debt crisis did he not, meaning hard choices where to be made.
    Perhaps changing the subject will work for him too when he runs for reelection.


    Remember corporation don't have to stay in Wisconsin, corporation can pick up and move to a right to work state and a state with a cheaper tax rate. Government employees and private employees generally can not make that choice with out some sort of consequences.
    Only if other states are also willing to shortchange education in favor of more tax cuts for corporations.


    It's wasn't strictly the pay. it was the extended benefit package that cost the state.
    it wasn't teachers, policeman and firefighters that caused the states' money problems, it was the recession caused by crooks on Wall Street, a housing bubble that burst and giving away to much revenue in tax cuts for the wealthy.

    Now if the people of Wisconsin wish to pay for it with a higher tax rate so be it, it's on them.
    Or, how about they just discontinue the tax breaks that necessitated the cuts to education.

    If this is the case then they should do their home work and pay attention to who is running for governor.
    Little late for that since they were lied to by their candidate. Nothing that a reelection can't fix however.
    Wisconsin if it continues down this road will lose it corporations to more friendly states.
    So your view is that whoever is willing to have the most stupid kids wins???
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    Re: Petition to recall Wisconsin GOP Sen. Sheila Harsdorf to be filed Tuesday

    Quote Originally Posted by deltabtry View Post
    A company that we deal with thought the same thing so it went union. Out of 50 employees they now have about 10 left and these jobs will also go through attrition and their jobs will be out sourced to third party contractors.
    How did letting the unions be dismantled work out for the people of Germany?
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