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    Re: Petition to recall Wisconsin GOP Sen. Sheila Harsdorf to be filed Tuesday

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    4 down and 4 to go, although I believe that only 5 or possibly 6 out of the 8 will end up being recalled. Still, considering the difficulty of recall in Wisconsin, this is a very impressive number - Which goes to show you that, if you are elitist enough to believe that you can do anything you want after being elected, and act like thugs while doing it, you are going to be hammered for it.

    Folks, THIS is what Democracy looks like.

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    Yes it is.
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    Re: Petition to recall Wisconsin GOP Sen. Sheila Harsdorf to be filed Tuesday

    Saw this today on youtube..made me think of WI here in the near future...

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    Re: Petition to recall Wisconsin GOP Sen. Sheila Harsdorf to be filed Tuesday

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    The more the Gov't "helps", the worse life gets for all.
    Norway has a very strong public sector, and a lot of social services provided from the gov, and they have the happiest people in the world, and their economy missed the global recession...


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    Re: Petition to recall Wisconsin GOP Sen. Sheila Harsdorf to be filed Tuesday

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Norway has a very strong public sector, and a lot of social services provided from the gov, and they have the happiest people in the world, and their economy missed the global recession...
    I don't know much about Norway, but your statement seemed unlikely so I decided to take a look... and the first link I clicked on rther disproved your statement... additionally, the thing you seem to love the most is what will contribute to them being in the recession longer.

    Norwegian economy still in recession

    According to the latest prognosis from Statistics Norway (SSB), the Norwegian economy remains clearly in recession after four quarters of moderate growth in GDP for Mainland Norway.

    Increased domestic demand is expected to stimulate growth, but there will not be an appreciable upswing for another two years, SSB states.

    The latest GDP figures from the Quarterly National Accounts (QNA) showed slightly lower growth in GDP for Mainland Norway than the trend in the Norwegian economy. The SSB does not expect domestic consumer demand to pick up this autumn and business investment to increase. Weak growth in international demand and reduced growth impulses from fiscal policies will dampen the rise in activity.

    Weak international growth combined with reduced Norwegian cost competitiveness will result in a relatively modest rise in exports in the next few years. Exports of traditional goods are not expected to return to their 2008 levels until 2012, SSB analysts believe.

    Second link proved to be pretty much the same. Appears that only oil prevented them from faling into an even deeper recession.

    Norway Slides Into Recession - NYTimes.com

    Gross domestic product for Norway, excluding petroleum-related activity, contracted by 1 percent during the first quarter of 2009 from the previous quarter, when it declined 0.8 percent, Statistics Norway, the country’s data agency, said on Tuesday.
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    Re: Petition to recall Wisconsin GOP Sen. Sheila Harsdorf to be filed Tuesday

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    I don't know much about Norway, but your statement seemed unlikely so I decided to take a look... and the first link I clicked on rther disproved your statement... additionally, the thing you seem to love the most is what will contribute to them being in the recession longer.

    Norwegian economy still in recession




    Second link proved to be pretty much the same. Appears that only oil prevented them from faling into an even deeper recession.

    Norway Slides Into Recession - NYTimes.com
    According to this article Norway skipped the recession and thier economy somewhat grew during while others suffered.
    " With a quirky contrariness as deeply etched in the national character as the fjords carved into its rugged landscape, Norway has thrived by going its own way. When others splurged, it saved. When others sought to limit the role of government, Norway strengthened its cradle-to-grave welfare state.

    And in the midst of the worst global downturn since the Depression, Norway’s economy grew last year by just under 3 percent. The government enjoys a budget surplus of 11 percent and its ledger is entirely free of debt."

    Norway Thrives by Going Against the Tide - NYTimes.com


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    Re: Petition to recall Wisconsin GOP Sen. Sheila Harsdorf to be filed Tuesday

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Norway has a very strong public sector, and a lot of social services provided from the gov, and they have the happiest people in the world, and their economy missed the global recession...
    And it's a smaller country with a low population and a different set of values, history and circumstances. Namely the massive oil industry pouring in resources to allowing such spending.
    Climate, changes. It takes a particularly uneducated population to buy into the idea that it's their fault climate is changing and further political solutions can fix it.



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    Re: Petition to recall Wisconsin GOP Sen. Sheila Harsdorf to be filed Tuesday

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    According to this article Norway skipped the recession and thier economy somewhat grew during while others suffered.
    " With a quirky contrariness as deeply etched in the national character as the fjords carved into its rugged landscape, Norway has thrived by going its own way. When others splurged, it saved. When others sought to limit the role of government, Norway strengthened its cradle-to-grave welfare state.

    And in the midst of the worst global downturn since the Depression, Norway’s economy grew last year by just under 3 percent. The government enjoys a budget surplus of 11 percent and its ledger is entirely free of debt."

    Norway Thrives by Going Against the Tide - NYTimes.com
    Yes, cause they sell **** tons of oil and gas.
    Climate, changes. It takes a particularly uneducated population to buy into the idea that it's their fault climate is changing and further political solutions can fix it.



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    Re: Petition to recall Wisconsin GOP Sen. Sheila Harsdorf to be filed Tuesday

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    According to this article Norway skipped the recession and thier economy somewhat grew during while others suffered.
    " With a quirky contrariness as deeply etched in the national character as the fjords carved into its rugged landscape, Norway has thrived by going its own way. When others splurged, it saved. When others sought to limit the role of government, Norway strengthened its cradle-to-grave welfare state.

    And in the midst of the worst global downturn since the Depression, Norway’s economy grew last year by just under 3 percent. The government enjoys a budget surplus of 11 percent and its ledger is entirely free of debt."

    Norway Thrives by Going Against the Tide - NYTimes.com
    You supply an earlier article printed in the NY Times on 05/13/09 indicating that Norway has avoided a recession. That article makes it clear that the only reason they didn't enter recession was it's oil/energy revenues.

    However, another article comes out just 6 days later, 05/19/09, is printed in the same newspaper and indicates that Norway has slid into recession.

    Do you think you may want to take the most recent information?

    I completely get that people are biased, but all I can say is wow. You so want to stick to your own conclusion that you ignore a more recent NY Times article and Statistics Norway's own proclamation that they have entered recession and the recovery will take longer to exit due to their "reduced cost competitveness".
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    Re: Petition to recall Wisconsin GOP Sen. Sheila Harsdorf to be filed Tuesday

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    You supply an earlier article printed in the NY Times on 05/13/09 indicating that Norway has avoided a recession. That article makes it clear that the only reason they didn't enter recession was it's oil/energy revenues.

    However, another article comes out just 6 days later, 05/19/09, is printed in the same newspaper and indicates that Norway has slid into recession.

    Do you think you may want to take the most recent information?

    I completely get that people are biased, but all I can say is wow. You so want to stick to your own conclusion that you ignore a more recent NY Times article and Statistics Norway's own proclamation that they have entered recession and the recovery will take longer to exit due to their "reduced cost competitveness".
    Yea it seems that i was "misinformed".
    But it seems Norway was in a recession for less than 3 months... Norway out of recession « Norway.com


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    Re: Petition to recall Wisconsin GOP Sen. Sheila Harsdorf to be filed Tuesday

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Yea it seems that i was "misinformed".
    But it seems Norway was in a recession for less than 3 months... Norway out of recession « Norway.com
    I appreciate that you acknowledge that... But, im not sure that the 3 month recession claim is even true.

    I'm looking at the GDP for the country, and it was negative in 1st, 2nd, and 4th quarter of 2009 and 3rd quarter of 2010. The quarters not mentioned were either 0 of just above zero at .6% increase. I think that could very fairly be defined as 7 quarters of recession. i am not certain how Statistics Norway defined it.

    It obviously wasn't a deep recession, but I think that's primarly due to their oil and energy industry.

    You can see their quarterly GDP in the middle of this page:

    Quarterly national accounts
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