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    Re: Petition to recall Wisconsin GOP Sen. Sheila Harsdorf to be filed Tuesday

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    If you're persuaded by lies, envy, and emotionalism vs facts, reality and history... that says all we need know about you.
    But who can really judge that? Seriously, it could just as easily be that the person claiming such a thing merely doesn't understand the argument, misreads the facts, fails to understand history.

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    Re: Petition to recall Wisconsin GOP Sen. Sheila Harsdorf to be filed Tuesday

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    It is your choice. America has never been socialist. If you want to overthrow our current system and trash the Constitution, I say that makes you anti-American, whether you live in Kansas or Cuba.
    I do not want to "overthrow" the current system. I believe in democracy not violence. I believe in protests not war..
    Never want to trash the constitution.. I think the constitution is one of the most brilliant documents ever written.. Don't know where you got that idea from...


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    Re: Petition to recall Wisconsin GOP Sen. Sheila Harsdorf to be filed Tuesday

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    But who can really judge that? Seriously, it could just as easily be that the person claiming such a thing merely doesn't understand the argument, misreads the facts, fails to understand history.
    And we could go around and around about that one. How about this, let's look at the goal of the Constitution and it's Intent. To protect the people from the Government. Read my Sig:
    "I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them."
    -Thomas Jefferson.

    Note that the left, the side you ideologically have aligned yourself with actively seeks to "take care of" the people, by confiscating greater amounts of wealth. Precisely what Mr. Jefferson was warning us about. The GOP has plenty of folks that also partake in this behavior, and I despise them for it too.

    Jefferson and the Founding Fathers knew the dangers, ya'll ignore those dangers under the false belief that you can "do it right this time". It cannot be done, this "great Society" where everyone is equal in life, where the poor are taken care by a benevolent government.

    We're 14 TRILLION in debt and counting, yet you don't care.


    The more the Gov't "helps", the worse life gets for all.

    Does this mean I support no Gov't? Of course not, don't be absurd.
    Climate, changes. It takes a particularly uneducated population to buy into the idea that it's their fault climate is changing and further political solutions can fix it.



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    Re: Petition to recall Wisconsin GOP Sen. Sheila Harsdorf to be filed Tuesday

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    And we could go around and around about that one. How about this, let's look at the goal of the Constitution and it's Intent. To protect the people from the Government. Read my Sig:
    -Thomas Jefferson.

    Note that the left, the side you ideologically have aligned yourself with actively seeks to "take care of" the people, by confiscating greater amounts of wealth. Precisely what Mr. Jefferson was warning us about. The GOP has plenty of folks that also partake in this behavior, and I despise them for it too.

    Jefferson and the Founding Fathers knew the dangers, ya'll ignore those dangers under the false belief that you can "do it right this time". It cannot be done, this "great Society" where everyone is equal in life, where the poor are taken care by a benevolent government.

    We're 14 TRILLION in debt and counting, yet you don't care.


    The more the Gov't "helps", the worse life gets for all.

    Does this mean I support no Gov't? Of course not, don't be absurd.
    Your signature has nothing to do with any issue we're discussing. Most these things are not about the government taking care of anyone, but in doing what the founding fathers did from the begining, using government to make sure things work. As I pointed out earlier, this constitution was the second attempt. We needed a stronger federal government, so we went back to the drawing board.

    And I certainly care about the debt. I wish republicans would care about it not only when democrats are in charge, but also when they are.

    That said, I purpose that we cut spending and increase taxes. One of the reason for supporting a single payer system is because it is a cheaper way to tackle health care. Remember we spend more less right now.

    And your premise about things getting worse for people is simply false. We're better today than we were in the past. During the great depression, for example, people suffered far greater than we do today despite the economic miseries. In fact, it is because of government regulations and efforts that pain has been reduced. It is far better to be poor today than it has been in the past. Overall, life is better and government has played a role in that improvement.

    Too often anti-government types don't look at everything. Single out the problem areas, but ingore the improvements. Both sides can do this, but the fact is governemnt is an extension of us. We vote and they represent. It's how it works. Nothing in the constitution prevents us using government to solve problems that effect the nation.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Petition to recall Wisconsin GOP Sen. Sheila Harsdorf to be filed Tuesday

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    No, you are absolutely, 100% wrong here. Well, maybe not 100%, but 97%.

    Although there is a direct mention to promoting the "General Welfare" of the people, the Constitution of the United States is a document outlining the duties, and restrictions of the Government to do on behalf of, and restrict the Government from doing to the American people.

    What you describe has more in common with the Communist manifesto then it does this countrys founding document. You are woefully backwards in what your definitions of political structure are. Product of Public Schools?

    j-mac
    Thanks for your opinion!

    "The Preamble to the United States Constitution is a brief introductory statement of the Constitution's fundamental purposes and guiding principles. It states in general terms, and courts have referred to it as reliable evidence of, the Founding Fathers' intentions regarding the Constitution's meaning and what they hoped the Constitution would achieve."

    "We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

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    Re: Petition to recall Wisconsin GOP Sen. Sheila Harsdorf to be filed Tuesday

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    The liberals suffered through Bush's two terms as did the rest of America. It was his leadership, or lack thereof, that allowed the Democrats to regain power. Elections are how we change policy in this country. I am willing to wager that Walker will be a one-term Governor.
    Hmmm …. then what does that say about the leadership of Democrats?? 2010 was history making in Republican gains …. guess that was the leadership of Obama huh ??

    Will Walker be a one term Governor, I think that will depends on the “results” of his actions …. they aren't in yet, and what we hear most of is the screaming of the liberals about his actions. If those actions don't produce results … then yes he will be a one term Governor.

    Will Obama be a one term president ? I personally think that the same applies to him, we haven't seen any results yet, but that could change .. but if it doesn't … he is a one term president as well ..

    Now here is where I get into trouble with republicans, personally I don't care if he is elected or not .. the only time this country runs with any sense is when one party controls both houses … and the other party controls the white house. It's only then that we have to proper checks and balances in place that neither party can promote only their agenda .

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    Re: Petition to recall Wisconsin GOP Sen. Sheila Harsdorf to be filed Tuesday

    I love the song

    They think this crap will fly...all the while paying NO attention what the majority of Americans told them last November....and recently in the WI SC election.

    We aren't going to play this crap anymore...

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    Did you watch his video?
    Obama is NOT 50 feet tall, he is ONE inch deep.
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    Re: Petition to recall Wisconsin GOP Sen. Sheila Harsdorf to be filed Tuesday

    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post
    Hmmm …. then what does that say about the leadership of Democrats?? 2010 was history making in Republican gains …. guess that was the leadership of Obama huh ??
    I think it was more about the Recession that the Democrats did not fix quickly enough. We'll find out in a little over a year. Personally, I don't think anyone can beat him. Who's your pick?

    Will Walker be a one term Governor, I think that will depends on the “results” of his actions …. they aren't in yet, and what we hear most of is the screaming of the liberals about his actions. If those actions don't produce results … then yes he will be a one term Governor.
    Yup!

    Will Obama be a one term president ? I personally think that the same applies to him, we haven't seen any results yet, but that could change .. but if it doesn't … he is a one term president as well ..
    While there is much in Obama's foreign policy that I fault him for, but under Obama's leadership we changed our course the last administration had us on to another Great Depression, made the largest step towards national health care (like all the rest of the 1st world nations) that has ever been made, provided a tax cut for the middle class (those hardest hit by the recession) and has invested more than any president in history in alternatives to our war for oil energy policy of the last decade.

    To me, that's one hell of an accomplishment with the dead weight of the GOP blocking every step forward this country tries to take.

    Now here is where I get into trouble with republicans, personally I don't care if he is elected or not .. the only time this country runs with any sense is when one party controls both houses … and the other party controls the white house. It's only then that we have to proper checks and balances in place that neither party can promote only their agenda .
    If it would result in meaningful compromise, yes. My observations through the years is that it has resulted in problems just being ignored in hopes they go away. We'll see if it will be any different this time.
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    Re: Petition to recall Wisconsin GOP Sen. Sheila Harsdorf to be filed Tuesday

    Catawba;1059428231]I think it was more about the Recession that the Democrats did not fix quickly enough. We'll find out in a little over a year. Personally, I don't think anyone can beat him. Who's your pick?
    Well everyone is entitled to their opinions, mine is the people weren't on board with the policies of the democrats, and the direction this country was headed in. As for my pick ... doesn't matter, if he doesn't show results in the next year and half ... anyone can beat him, Just as in 2008 there was not a Republican that could have won, didn't matter who the opposition was ... a democrat was going to win. The bottom line is really very simple, either things improve .... or you are out of office .. and if they do improve, a sitting president is nearly unbeatable.



    Yup!
    Yep ?? But what if his actions end up producing results ? It could mean he would be unbeatable by the next election he faces .



    While there is much in Obama's foreign policy that I fault him for, but under Obama's leadership we changed our course the last administration had us on to another Great Depression, made the largest step towards national health care (like all the rest of the 1st world nations) that has ever been made, provided a tax cut for the middle class (those hardest hit by the recession) and has invested more than any president in history in alternatives to our war for oil energy policy of the last decade.

    To me, that's one hell of an accomplishment with the dead weight of the GOP blocking every step forward this country tries to take.
    Chuckles …. well the claim can be made that he saved us from a depression, but that is something that can never be proven.

    Well you keep promoting the great obama health care bill, it's still not widely liked, it may never become law, if obama's lawyers ever allow it to get to the Supreme Court, their delay tactics are very telling to me. As for all those other 1st world countries you speak of, why is it that the majority of them are doing whatever they can to get out from under the overbearing cost of health care to the government??? Seems to me that we are trying to implement what many other governments are trying to get out from under.

    As for your asinine statement of the GOP blocking him at every turn, that is the common response of a liberal, that seems to forget that the liberals held all three branches of government with overwhelming majorities, and that the GOP couldn't stop anything. It was your liberal party that couldn't get things together …. so stop blaming their ineptness on others.



    If it would result in meaningful compromise, yes. My observations through the years is that it has resulted in problems just being ignored in hopes they go away. We'll see if it will be any different this time
    Again that is you opinion, from what I've seen the only progress that was made over the years have come from just that scenario..... one party control just doesn't work, never has … never will .
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    Re: Petition to recall Wisconsin GOP Sen. Sheila Harsdorf to be filed Tuesday

    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post
    Again that is you opinion, from what I've seen the only progress that was made over the years have come from just that scenario..... one party control just doesn't work, never has … never will .
    That's why I've fought against our march to fascism over the last 30 years.
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