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    Re: Petition to recall Wisconsin GOP Sen. Sheila Harsdorf to be filed Tuesday

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    Elitists? Thugs? Did you say the same thing about Democrats and Obama when they forced the health care law through in similar fashion?

    Was that the health care law that contained many parts submitted by Republicans when they were for it before they became against it?



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    Re: Petition to recall Wisconsin GOP Sen. Sheila Harsdorf to be filed Tuesday

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    Can you tell me what a radical conservative is? Maybe give me a name or two I’ll recognize and explain what makes them radical?
    A radical conservative to me is one who is willing to sacrifice worker's rights, health safety and welfare to promote greater corporate influence in local state and federal government and more tax cuts for the rich. Some current examples are Scott Walker, John Kasich, Rick Snyder, Rick Perry, and most of the GOP in Congress today.
    To me, that is the path to fascism and I find support for it to be a radical position.
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    Re: Petition to recall Wisconsin GOP Sen. Sheila Harsdorf to be filed Tuesday

    Quote Originally Posted by mertex View Post
    Was that the health care law that contained many parts submitted by Republicans when they were for it before they became against it?
    Probably. Republicans are always for or against crap when it is politically convenient. Democrats are no different though so we’re basically screwed aren’t we?

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    It would seem that the constitution is just a god damn piece of paper, to be trotted out when expedient.

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    Re: Petition to recall Wisconsin GOP Sen. Sheila Harsdorf to be filed Tuesday

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    A radical conservative to me is one who is willing to sacrifice worker's rights, health safety and welfare to promote greater corporate influence in local state and federal government and more tax cuts for the rich. Some current examples are Scott Walker, John Kasich, Rick Snyder, Rick Perry, and most of the GOP in Congress today.
    To me, that is the path to fascism and I find support for it to be a radical position.
    So what you are really saying is that you consider the US Constitution to be a radical fascist document?!?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    It would seem that the constitution is just a god damn piece of paper, to be trotted out when expedient.

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    Re: Petition to recall Wisconsin GOP Sen. Sheila Harsdorf to be filed Tuesday

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    So what you are really saying is that you consider the US Constitution to be a radical fascist document?!?
    How do you get that from what I said? The whole intent of the Constitution is to promote the welfare of We the People, not step on the welfare of the people to promote the Corporation's influence in our government. The Constitution is WHY we fight against fascism.
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    Re: Petition to recall Wisconsin GOP Sen. Sheila Harsdorf to be filed Tuesday

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    How do you get that from what I said? The whole intent of the Constitution is to promote the welfare of We the People, not step on the welfare of the people to promote the Corporation's influence in our government. The Constitution is WHY we fight against fascism.

    No, you are absolutely, 100% wrong here. Well, maybe not 100%, but 97%.

    Although there is a direct mention to promoting the "General Welfare" of the people, the Constitution of the United States is a document outlining the duties, and restrictions of the Government to do on behalf of, and restrict the Government from doing to the American people.

    What you describe has more in common with the Communist manifesto then it does this countrys founding document. You are woefully backwards in what your definitions of political structure are. Product of Public Schools?

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    Re: Petition to recall Wisconsin GOP Sen. Sheila Harsdorf to be filed Tuesday

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    No, you are absolutely, 100% wrong here. Well, maybe not 100%, but 97%.

    Although there is a direct mention to promoting the "General Welfare" of the people, the Constitution of the United States is a document outlining the duties, and restrictions of the Government to do on behalf of, and restrict the Government from doing to the American people.

    What you describe has more in common with the Communist manifesto then it does this countrys founding document. You are woefully backwards in what your definitions of political structure are. Product of Public Schools?

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    It's both. Remember it is the result of a second attempt. The first effort had too weak a government and the founding fathers had to make sure government was strong enough to handle things that needed to be handled. A completely hands off federal government wa workable.

    J, the communist scare tactic is really an old one. Can't we at least try to be more original?

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    Re: Petition to recall Wisconsin GOP Sen. Sheila Harsdorf to be filed Tuesday

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    How do you get that from what I said? The whole intent of the Constitution is to promote the welfare of We the People, not step on the welfare of the people to promote the Corporation's influence in our government. The Constitution is WHY we fight against fascism.
    See this is what happens when you let other people tell you what to think, buy into the idiocy that is class warfare and don't use the mark-1 brain unit you were blessed with at birth.

    The Constitution was set up to severely constrain the Government and what it could do to you, the individual. That's the REAL purpose behind it. Alas, so many like yourself have been intentionally lied too, convinced that the Government is supposed to HELP you that you have absolutely no clue as to the dangerous path you have embarked on.

    Human History is replete with examples of what happens when Government, no matter it's name or form, has more power then the people. In fact, that's the case in the majority of all Countries. America has been different because we've operated on the premise that the Government < People.

    You really want to know what separates, on a fundamental idealogical level, the left and the right? Those on the Left believe Government can be tamed, the Right knows that's playing with fire.
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    Re: Petition to recall Wisconsin GOP Sen. Sheila Harsdorf to be filed Tuesday

    When you listen to an arguement that pursuades, that is not being told what to think.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Petition to recall Wisconsin GOP Sen. Sheila Harsdorf to be filed Tuesday

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    When you listen to an arguement that pursuades, that is not being told what to think.
    If you're persuaded by lies, envy, and emotionalism vs facts, reality and history... that says all we need know about you.
    Climate, changes. It takes a particularly uneducated population to buy into the idea that it's their fault climate is changing and further political solutions can fix it.



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