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Petition to recall Wisconsin GOP Sen. Sheila Harsdorf to be filed Tuesday

The Prof said:
you really shouldn't talk about cuomo and moonbeam that way

they're really the best the class war crowd has to offer

aside from the slasher hussein, that is
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Did Cuomo cut collective bargaining rights in his state as Walker did in his state?

Link please?
 
no, he only cut 10 billion with no new taxes

it's governor patrick next door who's gonna be faced with a collective bargaining cut which passed the massachusetts house last nite, 111 to 42

and bing and bobb in detroit, the mayor and the emergency school manager appointed by granholm, who are employing michigan's martial law to target bargaining

and moonbeam in my state, tho he's not mentioned collective bargaining, has cut 10B, has promised to do about 12B more, and has taken his special june election for taxes off the table

Cuomo budget: $10 billion deficit cut, no new taxes, layoffs likely

MA House votes to limit bargaining on health care - The Boston Globe

Detroit Moves Against Unions - WSJ.com

Jerry Brown Signs Budget Cuts

Jerry Brown Abandons Ballot Initiative For Taxes | East Bay Express

grow up, warrior
 
Catawba said:
The open war against the working class and the elderly, the proposed GOP budget that continues tax cuts for the rich while cutting Medicare and SS and health care reform.
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You mean the GOP budget that most of the "elderly" prefer over the Obama plan? THAT budget?
 
The Prof said:
no
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That is why he is not as disliked as Walker by the working class in his state. The Wisconsin Teachers had already agreed to their cuts, but Walker went after their collective bargaining. Something he was not elected to do. This GOP attack against the working class has not only gone unnoticed among the working class in Wisconsin, but has reverberated accross the country and togehter with the GOP attacks on the working class in other states and in the GOP's proposed budget, its very easy to see from which side the attacks are coming from.
 
Taylor said:
You mean the GOP budget that most of the "elderly" prefer over the Obama plan? THAT budget?
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Who told you that, Glenn Beck? No I was talking about the majority of Americans that want Medicare left just the way it is:

"Despite growing concerns about the country’s long-term fiscal problems and an intensifying debate in Washington about how to deal with them, Americans strongly oppose some of the major remedies under consideration, according to a new Washington Post-ABC News poll.

The survey finds that Americans prefer to keep Medicare just the way it is."
Poll: Americans Oppose Medicare Cuts, Support Taxing the Rich

70% of Tea Partiers Don't Want to Cut Medicare Either
 
Catawba said:
its very easy to see from which side the attacks are coming from.
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yup

they're coming from detroit's city managers and the boston state legislature

"vote obama, 2012: it's all about collective bargaining!"

LOL!

except: Obama Shies Away From Union Protests

still looking for those comfortable shoes, apparently

how ya gonna campaign without em?

oh well

hate away, warrior
 
Catawba said:
Who told you that, Glenn Beck? No I was talking about the majority of Americans that want Medicare left just the way it is
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Oh.... well you said GOP budget. Taking all factors into consideration, including Medicare, older adults tend to prefer the Ryan plan. Only high school "seniors" prefer the Democrat plan.
A Gallup poll out this week contained an interesting finding —Ryan's plan does better than President Obama's debt-reduction plan with every age group except the young. Even more interesting, support goes up with each age group, to the point where almost half (48%) of seniors prefer Ryan's plan to the 42% who prefer Obama's. This despite the major changes Ryan proposes for Medicare.
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Gallup also found that congressional Republicans have the edge with the public when it comes to handling the budget, with 48% saying they think the GOP would do better, compared with just 36% who think Democrats would.
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Catawba said:
You think cutting funding is going to make it better do you?
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I'm not an education "expert" or anything, I just raised two children through the school system and saw the flaws through a parents eyes. The problem I see is one of top loaded systems where career administrators, hold redundant positions, at high salaries, taking money away from the real goal which is to educate. That, and items like bloated pensions, and inability to fire substandard employees of that system means huge waste, and at our children's expense.

j-mac
 
Catawba said:
No doubt the class war is on. The only question is if the working class and the elderly in this country will fight back come election time. There is every indication they will.
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The only people who think positively about unions are those who are in them. That's, let's see, 14% of the population. As to "the elderly?" What the hell are they going to fight back about? Seniors in this country have got it made. That doesn't mean they're all 'comfortable,' but it does mean they have awesome healthcare available for a pittance...they get property tax breaks...licensing breaks...they have access to great social services. Just what do you think they're going to fight about? Unless the Democrats lie...and they'd never do that, would they??
 
MaggieD said:
The only people who think positively about unions are those who are in them. That's, let's see, 14% of the population. As to "the elderly?" What the hell are they going to fight back about? Seniors in this country have got it made. That doesn't mean they're all 'comfortable,' but it does mean they have awesome healthcare available for a pittance...they get property tax breaks...licensing breaks...they have access to great social services. Just what do you think they're going to fight about? Unless the Democrats lie...and they'd never do that, would they??
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Noooooo, ofcourse not....




j-mac
 
MaggieD said:
The only people who think positively about unions are those who are in them. That's, let's see, 14% of the population. As to "the elderly?" What the hell are they going to fight back about? Seniors in this country have got it made. That doesn't mean they're all 'comfortable,' but it does mean they have awesome healthcare available for a pittance...they get property tax breaks...licensing breaks...they have access to great social services. Just what do you think they're going to fight about? Unless the Democrats lie...and they'd never do that, would they??
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How old are you? I'm just wondering how you may change in time.
 
The Prof said:
"vote obama, 2012: it's all about collective bargaining!"
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Class war in America

"Class, and especially middle class, is an effectively slippery category in American political discourse. It refers to everyone and no one. The U.S. Census Bureau does not use or define “middle class,” but has set the median income for a family of four in 2008-2009 at $70,000. A 2008 Pew Research survey found half of all Americans describe themselves as middle class.

Most Americans recognize class struggle in, on the one side, the ceaseless reports of high-levels of unemployment, increasing foreclosures and mounting unpaid bills and, on the other, in the skyrocketing stock market and unspeakable bonuses paid to financial wheeler-dealers. This presents one very powerful representation of class difference, but obfuscates the deeper conflict over the growing polarization of wealth in America.

According to NYU economist Edward Wolff, wealth is becoming increasingly concentrated. In the 15 years between 1983 and 2007, the share of wealth owned by the nation’s top 1 percent households grew to 34.6 percent from 33.8 percent; and the top 20 percent of U.S. households in 2007 controlled 85 percent of the nation’s wealth, up from 81.3 percent in ’83. The fate of America’s vast “middle class,” the remaining 80 percent, has only gotten more dire: in 2007, it controlled 15 percent, down from 18.7 percent in 1983.

It is time for Americans to reclaim the concept of class war. This needs to be done for two reasons: first, to actively combat the great squeeze ruining the lives of untold millions of Americans faced with financial catastrophe; and, second, to end the campaign by the super-rich (in league with government tax policies, subsidies and other give-aways) and the media to keep alive the fiction of America is a classless society free of class war. "
David Rosen: Class War in America
 
Taylor said:
Oh.... well you said GOP budget. Taking all factors into consideration, including Medicare, older adults tend to prefer the Ryan plan. Only high school "seniors" prefer the Democrat plan.
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Not so you would notice:

"The Tea Party movement is supposed to be the engine driving Republicans' push for sharp cuts to spending and reform entitlements. Representative Paul Ryan's 2012 budget, which passed the House last week, phases out Medicare for people under 55 and turns Medicaid into block grants. But it turns out that Tea Partiers, like most Americans, strongly oppose cutting Medicare and Medicaid. A new McClatchy-Marist poll shows 70 percent of "Tea Party supporters" oppose cutting those programs--and 80 percent of registered voters agree."

70% of Tea Partiers Don't Want to Cut Medicare Either - Yahoo! News

 
j-mac said:
I'm not an education "expert" or anything, I just raised two children through the school system and saw the flaws through a parents eyes. The problem I see is one of top loaded systems where career administrators, hold redundant positions, at high salaries, taking money away from the real goal which is to educate. That, and items like bloated pensions, and inability to fire substandard employees of that system means huge waste, and at our children's expense. j-mac
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Let's see your proof that non-union states have higher academic scorces?
 
Catawba said:
But it turns out that Tea Partiers, like most Americans, strongly oppose cutting Medicare and Medicaid.
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Turns out that Tea Partiers, like most Americans, are S*** out of Luck on that. Medicare IS going to be cut because it NEEDS to be cut.
President Obama this week will lay out a new approach to reducing the nation’s soaring debt, proposing reductions in spending on entitlements such as Medicare and Medicaid
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Obama’s new approach to deficit reduction to include spending on entitlements - The Washington Post

Obama lays out plan for cutting Medicare, Medicaid
 
Taylor said:
Turns out that Tea Partiers, like most Americans, are S*** out of Luck on that. Medicare IS going to be cut because it NEEDS to be cut.
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Of course, the administration has already identified $500 billion that can be cut from Medicare over 10 years by ending overpayments to private insurers that began in 2003. This is much preferable to turning the whole program over to private insurers with some vouchers that are projected to increase senior's out of pocket cost by $6,000/year, while giving the rich further tax cuts at rates not seen since the 1920's right before the Great Depression!

The seniors are the only large block of voters the GOP has left after alienating minorities, women and young males. So I honestly do not see how the GOP will be able to pull this over on the middle class.
 
Catawba said:
The seniors are the only large block of voters the GOP has left after alienating minorities, women and young males. So I honestly do not see how the GOP will be able to pull this over on the middle class.
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We can't sustain these Obama-sized budgets. The choice is whether to plan for a less expensive alternative, or simply run out of money.
 
Taylor said:
We can't sustain these Obama-sized budgets. The choice is whether to plan for a less expensive alternative, or simply run out of money.
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The stimulus spending was needed to prevent a depression in progress. Now that the depression has been averted, of course spending will have to go down and the "temporary tax cuts to the rich" will have to be discontinued. If done together, it will not require penalizing our seniors as the GOP has proposed.
 
until kent conrad comes out there aint nothin there but conceit
 
today:

Suffering its worst monthly performance since September 2010, the dollar weakened to a new 2½-year low Friday as investors turned increasingly pessimistic about the U.S. economy and the policy prescriptions designed to improve it.

Longstanding worries among market participants about the Federal Reserve's ultra-loose monetary policy have converged with growing concerns about the widening U.S. fiscal imbalance. Both are considered legacies of crisis-era stimulus policy that has kept U.S. interest rates at rock bottom, but sent the federal debt soaring to unsustainable levels.

As a result, the dollar is hunkered at multiyear lows against most of its major counterparts.
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http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703655404576292682596573082.html
 
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They came a lot closer to forcing recall elections on mark Miller then I would have ever expected. Apparently, within just a couple of hundred signatures. Even if they had collected all the necessary signatures, I don't think there would have been a chance in hell he would have been recalled.

Also, there are accusations, although admittedly biased and not very fleshed out, about union intimidation they faced.

Recall Mark Miller
At last tally, we fell short of the 20,352 signatures needed by 268 signatures.
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Damn, is this thread still around? There has been another recall of a Republican, and 3 recalls of Democrats, since I first posted this thread. LOL.
 
danarhea said:
Damn, is this thread still around? There has been another recall of a Republican, and 3 recalls of Democrats, since I first posted this thread. LOL.
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Just because some Union losers filed for it doesn't mean it is even going to happen.

Man....Independant eh?

j-mac
 
j-mac said:
Just because some Union losers filed for it doesn't mean it is even going to happen.

Man....Independant eh?

j-mac
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Doesn't mean it won't either. ;) :coffeepap
 
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