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    Attack on 'blasphemous' art work fires debate on role of religion in France

    Quote Originally Posted by http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/apr/18/andres-serrano-piss-christ-destroyed-christian-protesters
    When New York artist Andres Serrano plunged a plastic crucifix into a glass of his own urine and photographed it in 1987 under the title Piss Christ, he said he was making a statement on the misuse of religion.

    Controversy has followed the work ever since, but reached an unprecedented peak on Palm Sunday when it was attacked with hammers and destroyed after an "anti-blasphemy" campaign by French Catholic fundamentalists in the southern city of Avignon.

    The violent slashing of the picture, and another Serrano photograph of a meditating nun, has plunged secular France into soul-searching about Christian fundamentalism and Nicolas Sarkozy's use of religious populism in his bid for re-election next year.

    It also marks a return to an old standoff between Serrano and the religious right that dates back more than 20 years, to Reagan-era Republicanism in the US.

    The photograph, full title Immersion (Piss Christ), was made in 1987 as part of Serrano's series showing religious objects submerged in fluids such as blood and milk. In 1989, rightwing Christian senators' criticism of Piss Christ led to a heated US debate on public arts funding. Republican Jesse James told the senate Serrano was "not an artist. He's a jerk."

    Serrano defended his photograph as a criticism of the "billion-dollar Christ-for-profit industry" and a "condemnation of those who abuse the teachings of Christ for their own ignoble ends". It was vandalised in Australia, and neo-Nazis ransacked a Serrano show in Sweden in 2007.
    Looks like France isn't only having problems with Muslims as we are being lead by some to believe. The Christians are being unruly too.

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    Re: Attack on 'blasphemous' art work fires debate on role of religion in France

    Quote Originally Posted by Temporal View Post
    Looks like France isn't only having problems with Muslims as we are being lead by some to believe. The Christians are being unruly too.
    France is having problems?

    Or is it really Mr. Serrano thats having problems?

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    Re: Attack on 'blasphemous' art work fires debate on role of religion in France

    I'm a Christian. Although I find the "piss Christ" to be highly offensive and not a work of art, I respect the person's right to express themselves even if it offends me. We don't have the right to not be offended, we do have the right to free speech. There is a difference between a senator proposing a law and a law actually being passed and implemented.
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    Re: Attack on 'blasphemous' art work fires debate on role of religion in France

    They didn't cut of any non-believers' heads? They aren't very good at this religious zealotry are they?

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    Re: Attack on 'blasphemous' art work fires debate on role of religion in France

    The symbolism is provocative, but since it is only a figurative representation of what world religions do to themselves spiritually, I can only be so against it. I think people would be challenged to pick out a Christian who hasn't "pissed" on their religion in some way.
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    Re: Attack on 'blasphemous' art work fires debate on role of religion in France

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I'm a Christian. Although I find the "piss Christ" to be highly offensive and not a work of art, I respect the person's right to express themselves even if it offends me. We don't have the right to not be offended, we do have the right to free speech. There is a difference between a senator proposing a law and a law actually being passed and implemented.
    How do the actions or otherwise of senators relate to French Christian intolerance?
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    Re: Attack on 'blasphemous' art work fires debate on role of religion in France

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I'm a Christian. Although I find the "piss Christ" to be highly offensive and not a work of art, I respect the person's right to express themselves even if it offends me. We don't have the right to not be offended, we do have the right to free speech. There is a difference between a senator proposing a law and a law actually being passed and implemented.

    thats not expression that just crap and hes not an artist

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    Re: Attack on 'blasphemous' art work fires debate on role of religion in France

    Quote Originally Posted by Temporal View Post
    Looks like France isn't only having problems with Muslims as we are being lead by some to believe. The Christians are being unruly too.
    If only Muslims would go after offensive cartoons and rip them to shreads.
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    Re: Attack on 'blasphemous' art work fires debate on role of religion in France

    Eh, it's just a photograph. I'm sure he has the negative and can just print up another one. If not, I'm pretty sure it'll be easy to recreate the image. Not saying this was right, but there are far more serious things to get excited about.
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    Re: Attack on 'blasphemous' art work fires debate on role of religion in France

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Eh, it's just a photograph. I'm sure he has the negative and can just print up another one. If not, I'm pretty sure it'll be easy to recreate the image. Not saying this was right, but there are far more serious things to get excited about.

    actually getting a perfect duplicate of a favored print is pretty difficult. There's a lot of unique variables in doing it by hand (like chemically stopping the development), that you just never encounter with digital prints, and chances are, an exact duplicate will never be made

    Shame to, because I always thought it was a beautiful print

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