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    Re: Attack on 'blasphemous' art work fires debate on role of religion in France

    They are likely quite extracted emotionally and personally from the 'acts' depicted in the imagery and approach it more with your reaction in mind than a juvenile desire to merely crap on a cross.

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    Re: Attack on 'blasphemous' art work fires debate on role of religion in France

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Is it just me, or is it fun watching people contort themselves trying to defend these people's actions? Or to defend the picture? And it's falling along predictable partisan lines, too.

    I don't like the picture. So who cares, f**k me. It's wrong to attack a piece of art because you find it offensive. I find Miranda Cosgrove's singing career offensive, but I don't attack TVs showing Nickelodeon. These people are no better than Islamic fundamentalists talking about a picture of Mohammed (except that no people got killed, yet).
    Um...what?

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    Re: Attack on 'blasphemous' art work fires debate on role of religion in France

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    Of course it's offensive. That's the purpose. It's offensive, controversial and in your face. In my opinion that is the beauty and very definition of art. Art is supposed to evoke a reaction of some sort, even if it is extreme disgust and repulsion. I think that the "Piss Christ" piece is very provocative, but also makes a very powerful statement that some may agree or disagree with. You can be disgusted and disagree all you want, but it doesn't cease to be art. Believe it or not, but one can actually find beauty in things that repulse or offend us.
    That's really only a 20th Century phenomenon to the world of Art.

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    Re: Attack on 'blasphemous' art work fires debate on role of religion in France

    The video in Dr. Patrick's post describes things quite nicely, and it's a nun who does it: http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1059420133

    If she gets it, why can't others?

    Yes it's art. Maybe people here are too "left brained" or unexposed to the art world to understand that it's art, but it definitely is. Your reactions to the image are what make it art, and every person reacts differently. Even among Christians in this thread, some are outraged and some don't care. You'll notice that the ones who are the most offended are the ones trying to say that it's not art, because they don't want it to have any authority or say.

    I also think it's genius that the damaged piece is back on display. It enhances the message even more. Christ has been pissed on in the modern world because people are living vulgar lives (as the nun put it), and violence as a means to try and resolve their feelings is not beneath them. The artist pissed on Christ. The Christians smashed Christ when they attacked the work.

    It's incredibly ironic - almost to a hilarious degree - that in trying to destroy a work that bothers them, the people who smashed the picture only ended up adding another layer in which Christ is being attacked. It's brilliant.

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    Re: Attack on 'blasphemous' art work fires debate on role of religion in France

    Quote Originally Posted by Mayor Snorkum View Post
    No. Just scorn at the fools who spend money on such nonsense. As the Mayor stated, if Serrano wanted reaction, he should have photographed a Koran in a pig sty.
    So Koran in pig sty = art. Crucifix in urine = not art. Good to know.

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    Re: Attack on 'blasphemous' art work fires debate on role of religion in France

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    So Koran in pig sty = art. Crucifix in urine = not art. Good to know.
    I have been inspired to do an art piece using Jesus Juice and shall call it Hypocritical.
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    Re: Attack on 'blasphemous' art work fires debate on role of religion in France

    Quote Originally Posted by Temporal View Post
    Your reactions to the image are what make it art, and every person reacts differently. Even among Christians in this thread, some are outraged and some don't care. You'll notice that the ones who are the most offended are the ones trying to say that it's not art, because they don't want it to have any authority or say.
    Following your logic, someone could film the rape and murder of your entire family and call it art, no?

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    It would seem that the constitution is just a god damn piece of paper, to be trotted out when expedient.

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    Re: Attack on 'blasphemous' art work fires debate on role of religion in France

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    Following your logic, someone could film the rape and murder of your entire family and call it art, no?
    I suppose, but killing people is a crime. Putting a crucifix in urine is not.

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    Re: Attack on 'blasphemous' art work fires debate on role of religion in France

    Quote Originally Posted by Temporal View Post
    Looks like France isn't only having problems with Muslims as we are being lead by some to believe. The Christians are being unruly too.
    France is one of those Eurotrash countries with anti-free speech laws where they can fine or jail a preacher for saying homosexuality is a sin or fine and or jail someone for offending a Muslim but someone can put a Rosary cross in a jar of piss and call it art and it is not considered hate speech in that country? If this man had taken a plastic figurine of Mohamed and put it in a jar of piss I somehow doubt France would let him hold an exhibit of it and would toss his ass in jail.
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    Re: Attack on 'blasphemous' art work fires debate on role of religion in France

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    It depends on your interpretation of the piece. I don't think it was necessarily meant to be disparaging towards Christianity, but to rather make a commentary on how people have treated Jesus and Christianity as a whole over the years.
    I'm sure you would give that same interpretation to a Feces Muhammad.
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