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    Re: Attack on 'blasphemous' art work fires debate on role of religion in France

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    Oh come on....are you so naive you think a crucifix dunked in a glass of urine is really art rather than one of those “gratuitous images that have the sole purpose to shock or offend”?

    If not, the socialist movement isn’t churning em out as bright as they used to be.
    It is art because it makes a very powerful and provocative statement. People wouldn't even know it was urine if it hadn't been pointed out to them.

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    Re: Attack on 'blasphemous' art work fires debate on role of religion in France

    I am going to hit someone over the head with a brick and film it. I shall name the piece "Brick." It will be a contemporary formulated institutional dilema.

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    Re: Attack on 'blasphemous' art work fires debate on role of religion in France

    Is it just me, or is it fun watching people contort themselves trying to defend these people's actions? Or to defend the picture? And it's falling along predictable partisan lines, too.

    I don't like the picture. So who cares, f**k me. It's wrong to attack a piece of art because you find it offensive. I find Miranda Cosgrove's singing career offensive, but I don't attack TVs showing Nickelodeon. These people are no better than Islamic fundamentalists talking about a picture of Mohammed (except that no people got killed, yet).

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    Re: Attack on 'blasphemous' art work fires debate on role of religion in France

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Is it just me, or is it fun watching people contort themselves trying to defend these people's actions? Or to defend the picture? And it's falling along predictable partisan lines, too.

    I don't like the picture. So who cares, f**k me. It's wrong to attack a piece of art because you find it offensive. I find Miranda Cosgrove's singing career offensive, but I don't attack TVs showing Nickelodeon. These people are no better than Islamic fundamentalists talking about a picture of Mohammed (except that no people got killed, yet).
    I think it's more ridiculous to compare what happened here with terrorism that actually kills people.
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    Re: Attack on 'blasphemous' art work fires debate on role of religion in France

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS Flex
    Oh come on....are you so naive you think a crucifix dunked in a glass of urine is really art rather than one of those “gratuitous images that have the sole purpose to shock or offend”?

    If not, the socialist movement isn’t churning em out as bright as they used to be.
    I already stated my position earlier in this thread, and in every thread regarding Piss Christ that has been posted on this board. If you study Serrano's career you would know that he is not interested in "shocking" people but getting down to the root of social conventions and taboos and basically causing you to analyze these issues and to ask why they're taboo.

    As for Piss Christ specifically, I think that Serrano puts it beautifully:

    Quote Originally Posted by Serrano
    AS: Being born, especially being born a person of color, is a political act in itself. Everything you do from that point on is political without having to be called political. My work has social implications, it functions in a social arena. In relation to the controversy over Piss Christ, I think the work was politicized by forces outside it, and as a result, some people expect to see something recognizably "political" in my work. I am still trying to do my work as I see fit, which I see as coming from a very personal point of view with broader implications.
    The imbecile is the one that stops simply at how art makes them feel. Art is supposed to make you think as well.

    Funny, isn't it? Art once required skill to produce.
    I'm sure that you're one of the people that looks at Malevich's Black Square and says "I could have done that!"



    Scatological impressionism is to art like men's room grafitti is to the Declaration of Independence.
    This is pretty funny. So bodily fluids have no place in art? Moreover, where has he used feces? Does it even matter? Why would feces be out of the question in the use of art? Who legislated this, the world foundation on art?

    This piece seems to be getting exactly out of you what Serrano had intended: for the ignorant, blind outrage.
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    Re: Attack on 'blasphemous' art work fires debate on role of religion in France

    Quote Originally Posted by sazerac View Post
    I am going to hit someone over the head with a brick and film it. I shall name the piece "Brick." It will be a contemporary formulated institutional dilema.
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    Re: Attack on 'blasphemous' art work fires debate on role of religion in France

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    This is pretty funny. So bodily fluids have no place in art? Moreover, where has he used feces? Does it even matter? Why would feces be out of the question in the use of art? Who legislated this, the world foundation on art?

    This piece seems to be getting exactly out of you what Serrano had intended: for the ignorant, blind outrage.
    No. Just scorn at the fools who spend money on such nonsense. As the Mayor stated, if Serrano wanted reaction, he should have photographed a Koran in a pig sty.

    Piss Christ is an example of the pointless noise the chattering classes tell themselves has meaning, though it has none.

    Clearly the Mayor isn't outraged. If it's not representational, it's not art. Art reaches its height when it combines beauty and functionality. The Concorde comes to mind. Insults to people's religion is what is known as a cheap shot.

    My only objection to PC is the taxpayer money wasted on it.

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    Re: Attack on 'blasphemous' art work fires debate on role of religion in France

    Quote Originally Posted by sazerac View Post
    I am going to hit someone over the head with a brick and film it. I shall name the piece "Brick." It will be a contemporary formulated institutional dilema.
    Can you expand on this. Are these art terms I'm not familiar with? Or do they apply in a wider sense as in the dilemma of institutionalized art philosophy or sumthngidkimdumb....

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    Re: Attack on 'blasphemous' art work fires debate on role of religion in France

    Quote Originally Posted by Mayor Snorkum View Post
    No. Just scorn at the fools who spend money on such nonsense. As the Mayor stated, if Serrano wanted reaction, he should have photographed a Koran in a pig sty.

    Piss Christ is an example of the pointless noise the chattering classes tell themselves has meaning, though it has none.
    The chattering is half the meaning. Also Qu'ran in a pig sty wouldnt be as conceptually cohesive as piss christ. It's that people are not offended by piss christ, whereas Qu'ran-in-the-pigsty would be the equivalent to crapping in public. The Qu'ran and the crucifix have different cultural and social contexts. Also, the Qu'ran is actually regarded as the word of God very seriously by many more people than the crucifix is considered 'holy'. Turd-on-the-torah would also be treated as such.

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    Re: Attack on 'blasphemous' art work fires debate on role of religion in France

    Anyone who depicts christ with feces and dips cross' into urine is a scumbag not an artist...theres an idiot that drinks colors then regurgitates them up on canvass and they call it ART....its not art its a grouping of sick dipchits that cant make a living

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