Presidential Candidates Have To Show Birth Certificates Under Louisiana Proposal

You know I don't blame the state of Louisiana for doing this either as the Times Picayune of New Orleans reports. Is this payback for the way Obama treated Louisiana last summer? Obama handled the BP oilspill off their coast terribly and to top that, he shut the drilling down off their coast that provided thousands of jobs for Louisianans. These lawmakers are doing the right thing and I believe this bill will pass in their legislature. Louisiana depends on Oil and Gas revenue to survive and their constitution is written in a manner where they get a set percentage of the cost for a barrel of oil that goes into their general fund. That was put in place by then Governor Edwin Edwards. Governor Bobby Jindal, who also isn't a natural born citizen, should sign this into law because he had enough of Obama's stonewalling last summer on the spill. There is nothing wrong with taking extra precautions to make sure presidential candidates are Natural Born Citizens to meet the qualifications for Article 2 Section 1.

Presidential candidates would have to show birth certificates under Louisiana proposal | NOLA.com

A pair of Republican state lawmakers have filed legislation to require future presidential candidates to prove their U.S. citizenship by providing "an original or certified copy" of their birth certificate in order to qualify for the Louisiana ballot

The bill, co-sponsored by state Sen. A.G. Crowe, R-Slidell, would require candidates who want to appear on presidential primary or general election ballots to include an affidavit attesting to the candidate's citizenship that would be accompanied by a birth certificate "that includes the date and place of birth, the names of the hospital and the attending physician, and signatures of the witnesses in attendance."




House Bill 561 can be found here:
http://legis.state.la.us/billdata/streamdocument.asp?did=742268

Excellent. All states should require this

You have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear

It is a requirement to be President. You have to be a born citizen and of age...the birth certificate covers both. I'm sure there will be a huge controversy...but it is sound legislation in my opinion. I'd also like to see them add proof of residency.

Hell, I have to give a SSN#, proof of residency, proof of employment, pee in a cop, three references, finger prints, proof of qualifications and a whole slew of other things just to fly a small airplane. I think the President of the United States can manage to prove he's qualified.

Its not about making sure the President is a natural citizen, its not about "getting back" at Obama for anything, its just about a few politicians pulling a stunt for votes and attention.

I made a couple of calls. I had no idea THIS was going to happen!

You all!!

Wiseone said:

Its not about making sure the President is a natural citizen, its not about "getting back" at Obama for anything, its just about a few politicians pulling a stunt for votes and attention.

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In this case, the "stunt" is what the people want...so I'd say it is the politicians doing what their constituents ask of them.

Apuzo said:

You know I don't blame the state of Louisiana for doing this either as the Times Picayune of New Orleans reports. Is this payback for the way Obama treated Louisiana last summer? Obama handled the BP oilspill off their coast terribly and to top that, he shut the drilling down off their coast that provided thousands of jobs for Louisianans. These lawmakers are doing the right thing and I believe this bill will pass in their legislature. Louisiana depends on Oil and Gas revenue to survive and their constitution is written in a manner where they get a set percentage of the cost for a barrel of oil that goes into their general fund. That was put in place by then Governor Edwin Edwards. Governor Bobby Jindal, who also isn't a natural born citizen, should sign this into law because he had enough of Obama's stonewalling last summer on the spill. There is nothing wrong with taking extra precautions to make sure presidential candidates are Natural Born Citizens to meet the qualifications for Article 2 Section 1.

Presidential candidates would have to show birth certificates under Louisiana proposal | NOLA.com

A pair of Republican state lawmakers have filed legislation to require future presidential candidates to prove their U.S. citizenship by providing "an original or certified copy" of their birth certificate in order to qualify for the Louisiana ballot

The bill, co-sponsored by state Sen. A.G. Crowe, R-Slidell, would require candidates who want to appear on presidential primary or general election ballots to include an affidavit attesting to the candidate's citizenship that would be accompanied by a birth certificate "that includes the date and place of birth, the names of the hospital and the attending physician, and signatures of the witnesses in attendance."

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Arizona's done the same:

The Arizona proposal would require political parties and presidential candidates to hand in affidavits stating a candidate’s citizenship and age and to provide the candidate’s birth certificate and a sworn statement saying where the candidate has lived for 14 years.

If candidates don’t have a copy of their birth certificates, they could meet the requirement by providing baptismal or circumcision certificates, hospital birth records and other documents.

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In Arizona, presidential candidates will have to provide proof of birth

House Bill 561 can be found here:
http://legis.state.la.us/billdata/streamdocument.asp?did=742268[/QUOTE]

This should have already been in place on the national level. It's about time.

ksu_aviator said:

It is a requirement to be President. You have to be a born citizen and of age...the birth certificate covers both. I'm sure there will be a huge controversy...but it is sound legislation in my opinion. I'd also like to see them add proof of residency.

Hell, I have to give a SSN#, proof of residency, proof of employment, pee in a cop, three references, finger prints, proof of qualifications and a whole slew of other things just to fly a small airplane. I think the President of the United States can manage to prove he's qualified.

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The bill does require proof of residency. I put a link up to read the bill.

Here it is and scroll down to see the proposal for residency requirements. As you will notice in the bill, there are no stipulations under current Louisiana law that provides for a presidential candidate to prove he is a natural born citizen.

http://legis.state.la.us/billdata/streamdocument.asp?did=742268

I feel ****ing embarrassed for you.

Wiseone said:

Its not about making sure the President is a natural citizen, its not about "getting back" at Obama for anything, its just about a few politicians pulling a stunt for votes and attention.

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Um, no. The law is necessary.

Jetboogieman said:

I feel ****ing embarrassed for you.

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For who?............

ksu_aviator said:

In this case, the "stunt" is what the people want...so I'd say it is the politicians doing what their constituents ask of them.

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Firstly its not what all people want, thats an assumption on your part. Secondly, given the amount of information and digging into a candidates life there's no way a non-natural citizen is going to become President. Thirdly, anyone who thinks a President candidate, or the actual President, was born in another country is delusional and won't be satisfied by any amount of fact or any documents. Therefore is just a waste of money and amounts to nothing more than politicians feeding on the irrational fears of some, hopefully not many, of their potential voters and thus encouraging them which is entirely counter productive.

To introduce an additional check before someone is placed on a ballot, and thus possibility become President, enforces the idea that there aren't sufficient enough checks to ensure a Constitutionally ineligible person is not elected, which there certainly are. Like I said, feeds and encourages irrational fears and ignorance amongst the people.

Wiseone said:

Firstly its not what all people want, thats an assumption on your part. Secondly, given the amount of information and digging into a candidates life there's no way a non-natural citizen is going to become President. Thirdly, anyone who thinks a President candidate, or the actual President, was born in another country is delusional and won't be satisfied by any amount of fact or any documents. Therefore is just a waste of money and amounts to nothing more than politicians feeding on the irrational fears of some, hopefully not many, of their potential voters and thus encouraging them which is entirely counter productive.

To introduce an additional check before someone is placed on a ballot, and thus possibility become President, enforces the idea that there aren't sufficient enough checks to ensure a Constitutionally ineligible person is not elected, which there certainly are. Like I said, feeds and encourages irrational fears and ignorance amongst the people.

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sazerac said:

Um, no. The law is necessary.

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See exactly what I mean, does anyone really think there's a risk of someone born in another country being elected President? There's enough real problems to be worried about without inventing them

Wiseone said:

Firstly its not what all people want, thats an assumption on your part. Secondly, given the amount of information and digging into a candidates life there's no way a non-natural citizen is going to become President. Thirdly, anyone who thinks a President candidate, or the actual President, was born in another country is delusional and won't be satisfied by any amount of fact or any documents. Therefore is just a waste of money and amounts to nothing more than politicians feeding on the irrational fears of some, hopefully not many, of their potential voters and thus encouraging them which is entirely counter productive.

To introduce an additional check before someone is placed on a ballot, and thus possibility become President, enforces the idea that there aren't sufficient enough checks to ensure a Constitutionally ineligible person is not elected, which there certainly are. Like I said, feeds and encourages irrational fears and ignorance amongst the people.

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Unless that candidates past has been totally sealed. Instead of a bill requiring a candidate to produce a BC, I would rather a candidate be required to produce his college transcripts, work history, medical records, financial records, etc. Unlike every other presidential candidate in recent memory, Obama didn't have to do that. It's all been sealed up tight. Why?

Wiseone said:

See exactly what I mean, does anyone really think there's a risk of someone born in another country being elected President? There's enough real problems to be worried about without inventing them

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You do know that for some people, you can be born in America and still not be a natural born citizen. The founder and architect of the 14th Amendment, John Bingham defined a natural born citizen as this:

“Every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen.” (Cong. Globe, 39th, 1st Sess., 1291 (1866))

You can't argue with the man who founded the citizenship amendment in our constitution. Obama's father, who wasn't a U.S. citizen, held allegiance to the British Crown. That was passed to Obama Jr when he was born.

apdst said:

Unless that candidates past has been totally sealed. Instead of a bill requiring a candidate to produce a BC, I would rather a candidate be required to produce his college transcripts, work history, medical records, financial records, etc. Unlike every other presidential candidate in recent memory, Obama didn't have to do that. It's all been sealed up tight. Why?

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I thought you were a Constitutionalist? But as to why I think its because he doesn't want to feed the conspiracy theories, and just like the birth certificate, when its produced the people who don't believe it, aren't going to change their mind anyway, it just creates another news story about it and ultimately does nothing but bring up a topic which is nothing but bull**** to begin with.

Apuzo said:

You do know that for some people, you can be born in America and still not be a natural born citizen. The founder and architect of the 14th Amendment, John Bingham defined a natural born citizen as this:

“Every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen.” (Cong. Globe, 39th, 1st Sess., 1291 (1866))

You can't argue with the man who founded the citizenship amendment in our constitution. Obama's father, who wasn't a U.S. citizen, held allegiance to the British Crown. That was passed to Obama Jr when he was born.

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As I previously posted when you brought this up before.

Mr Bingham's quote is taken out of context and is factually incorrect.

http://memory.loc.gov/ll/llcg/071/0300/03331291.tif
As we all know, it is not written in the Constitution that every human being born in the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is a natural born citizen.

Further as the source shows, plenty of people argued with the guy.
Also,it should be noted that the language referenced was dropped from the bill before it was passed. Congress made the choice to do that.

apdst said:

For who?............

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For your country.

Jetboogieman said:

For your country.

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Don't bring that smugness bull**** in here, you know damned well politicians in every country pull stunts, pander, and do all kinds of stupid and unproductive things to get votes. And you needn't lump the entire country together for the actions of a few state senators from Louisiana and some fringe birthers, you aren't looking at the whole picture and just focusing on a tiny fraction of it.

Wiseone said:

Don't bring that smugness bull**** in here, you know damned well politicians in every country pull stunts, pander, and do all kinds of stupid and unproductive things to get votes. And you needn't lump the entire country together for the actions of a few state senators from Louisiana and some fringe birthers, you aren't looking at the whole picture and just focusing on a tiny fraction of it.

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Relax!

I dont think all Americans are birther ****tards.

My own countries have their own embarrassments, believe me.

MaggieD said:

This should have already been in place on the national level. It's about time.

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I agree, it should have been in place.

But this isn't about that. It's about some people who would rather believe a conspiracy theory than actual evidence.

Are people under the impression that nobody currently checks where a president is born?

Deuce said:

Are people under the impression that nobody currently checks where a president is born?

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Mike Huckabee was on Geraldo two weeks ago and said actually they don't. If you really research, the FBI doesn't either as a former deputy director stated after Obama was elected. He said they put trust in the voters and media. Also if you read the Louisiana bill, it states their current law just basically takes a candidates word that they are qualified without proof. This has got to change.

Deuce said:

Are people under the impression that nobody currently checks where a president is born?

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Apparently, these checks are not 100% assimilated by the general public.

What harm would it do?.....or would it cause harm to do more background checks on *said* candidate?

Wiseone said:

Firstly its not what all people want, thats an assumption on your part.

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No, it was an assumption on your part. You are the one that said it was a stunt to gain votes. I never said everyone wanted it, but if the politicians are getting votes for it, it must be what some of their constituents want.

Secondly, given the amount of information and digging into a candidates life there's no way a non-natural citizen is going to become President.

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So our political process is to rely on tabloid news?

Thirdly, anyone who thinks a President candidate, or the actual President, was born in another country is delusional and won't be satisfied by any amount of fact or any documents.

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That contradicts your "secondly" position. First you say that someone (we don't know who) will dig into the past of a Presidential candidate and that will be the best way to prevent an unqualified candidate from reaching office. Then you say anyone that does look into that is delusional. Now, which is it?

Therefore is just a waste of money and amounts to nothing more than politicians feeding on the irrational fears of some, hopefully not many, of their potential voters and thus encouraging them which is entirely counter productive.

To introduce an additional check before someone is placed on a ballot, and thus possibility become President, enforces the idea that there aren't sufficient enough checks to ensure a Constitutionally ineligible person is not elected, which there certainly are. Like I said, feeds and encourages irrational fears and ignorance amongst the people.

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What checks are there? Tabloid news and delusional conspiracy theorists?