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    Re: House passes huge GOP budget cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    Let me go on the record as an advocate for tax hikes, draconian spending cuts, draconian cuts in government regulations (state and fed) and a horrible American recession that will last for nearly 10 years.

    Medicine tastes bad but we (America) refuse to take our medicine because we have allowed the political propaganda machines of both parties to fill our heads with the idea that we can have our cake and eat it too. We think that we can build utopia because we are special, we are Americans and we are a super power that will never die.
    I agree with your post. There are really two ways to fund the government - Debt and taxes, and the spot that we are in right now is going to require reducing spending to lower the debt burden, and taxation to help pay it off. It is going to require both, since just one won't cut it. And yes, the medicine is going to be painful. In this case the cure for a painful disease is going to have to be painful itself.
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    Re: House passes huge GOP budget cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Befuddled_Stoner View Post
    Iím not sure how well this will go for the Republicans. Getting people to vote against their economic interests only works when economic issues are eclipsed by social fluff issues like gay marriage and abortion.
    ah. and you think that enslaving their children to the Chinese is in American's economic best interest?



    but there is a simple way to tell if you are correct or not. If you are right, then Democrats will spend the 2012 election cycle avoiding social issues and focusing in on the Ryan Budget like a laser.

    But if you are wrong, Democrats will desperately throw out and harp on any social issue they think will make Republicans look "right wing" (as they did with Planned Parenthood) in a desperate attempt to talk about anything other than spending.


    Let us see who is correct.

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    Re: House passes huge GOP budget cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    I agree with your post. There are really two ways to fund the government - Debt and taxes
    The US is also the largest land-owner on the continent. Seems to me we could start selling some stuff.

    and the spot that we are in right now is going to require reducing spending to lower the debt burden, and taxation to help pay it off. It is going to require both, since just one won't cut it.
    Except you can't really raise revenue above 18.5% of GDP with any degree of predictability. So the only way to "raise taxes" is to "raise GDP".

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    Re: House passes huge GOP budget cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Mayor Snorkum View Post
    What does any of that have to do with the fact that today the unconstitutional programs both parties passed a lifetime ago are leading the nation into economic disaster, and that only one party is even making an attempt, as lame as it is, to rectify the error made so long ago?

    Why aren't you focusing on the essential realities, namely:

    1) The programs were unconstitutional when passed.
    2) The programs are still unconstituitonal.
    3) The programs are killing America.
    4) The death of America is going to hit those poor you pretend to care about the worst of anyone?
    5) The Democrats are doing everything they can to increase the damage done, they're not simply attempting to maintain the status quo, they're actively seeking to expand the damage.

    Those are the salient issues.

    You're addressing not one of them.
    We have a United States Supreme Court to decide these matters and they did decide these matters.

    Your side lost.

    The people who believe such programs were unconstitutional lost and they were ruled as constitutional.
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    Re: House passes huge GOP budget cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    jewel of the new deal---very good

    but if the jewels are so valuable why are they in such dire need of fixing

    Fiscal Commission Co-Chairs Simpson And Bowles Release Eye-Popping Recommendations | TPMDC
    Because we have exempted income above the level of $106K for FICA tax contributions. If we popped the cap on that amount and then applied toe FICA tax to all amounts above that current cap AND took the step to freeze benefits at todays level plus inflation, we would have solved the vat majority of any financial shortfall.

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    Re: House passes huge GOP budget cuts

    A few people have mentioned Ryans plan cutting taxes on people making over 250,000, while cutting entitlements. Isn't this also part of the Ryan plan:

    Simplifies tax rates to 10 percent on income up to $100,000 for joint filers, and $50,000 for single filers; and 25 percent on taxable income above these amounts. Compare Ryans rates with the following:

    10% Up to $8,375(Single) Up to $16,750 (Married)

    2010 Tax Brackets | Tax Rates
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    Re: House passes huge GOP budget cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    We have a United States Supreme Court to decide these matters and they did decide these matters.

    Your side lost.

    The people who believe such programs were unconstitutional lost and they were ruled as constitutional.
    and few people who understand the issue will say that was anything other than a FDR intimidated court worried about politics It required complete reversal of 130 years of precedent facilitated by FDR's court packing threat and FDR's big win in 1936



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    Re: House passes huge GOP budget cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    and few people who understand the issue will say that was anything other than a FDR intimidated court worried about politics It required complete reversal of 130 years of precedent facilitated by FDR's court packing threat and FDR's big win in 1936
    Spin, spin and more spin. So what? Such intellectual rationalization means nothing compared to the reality of the power of the Court and the decisions they render.
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    Re: House passes huge GOP budget cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Spin, spin and more spin. So what? Such intellectual rationalization means nothing compared to the reality of the power of the Court and the decisions they render.
    so tell us-what sound precedent caused the Supremes to overrule Schechter Poultry and the hundred+ years of precedent it was based on?



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    Re: House passes huge GOP budget cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    so tell us-what sound precedent caused the Supremes to overrule Schechter Poultry and the hundred+ years of precedent it was based on?
    Its irrelevant. Accept it and move on. Or not. It means precious little to me.

    You tried this before to no avail. I NEVER brought up the case. You did. If it means so much to you - you start a thread on it and discuss it. It means NOTHING to me and I never brought it up. The fact is a simple one: you are not on the US Supreme Court. Those that are, those who have the legal power, disagreed with you. Accept it or not. It means little to reality.
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