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    Re: House passes huge GOP budget cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    The US debt problems originated during the reagan admin,
    No. The US debt crisis commenced when FDR began pushing completely unconstitutional entitlement programs onto the public. That the nation could absorb those illegal programs for a short period is a testament to the strength of the nation's economy, not to any legitimacy of the programs. The existence of those programs drained tax revenues that could have been retained by the lawful owners of that money for their purposes, which would have led to expansions in the economy.

    As for the Laffer curve it is too widely used with too little thought applied. It has to include analysis regarding overall economic activity ( ie bubbles like the housing bubble) relative tax rates compared to surrounding jurisdictions ( ie US vs Mexico). In most cases it is used in to far a simplistic basis by far too simple people. Tax revenues may rise or fall after a tax increase or decrease. To state that the tax increase or decrease is the cause without an indepth analysis of the economy is impossible
    Yes, as the Mayor pointed out, raising taxes when the nation is on the wrong side of the Laffer Curve is foolish.

    Raising taxes now is one of the most foolish things ever considered, and is a symptom of the ideological obstinancy of the enemies seeking to tear down this republic and the useful idiots volunteering to help them out of their misguided and emotional, and hence irrational, desire to help to po'.

    Wrecking the nation isn't going to help the po', people. It's past time you grew up and realized that. The cliff's edge is approaching fast, the nation needs you people to get away from the controls so the adults can try to fix things.

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    Re: House passes huge GOP budget cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    stop lying. our forefathers would have judged you to be a traitor
    LOL! The "lawyer" dude needs to look up the difference between forefathers and founding fathers!

    And, I don't share your peculiar notion that our forefathers of the last 80 years have all been communists.

    you limit your understanding of history to the New Deal and sooner because that is when 130 years of law was discarded by FDR
    I understand the rule of law, something else you can look up, has held for the last 80 years that progressive taxes are Constitutional.

    Of course there are those that do not believe in the rule of law................
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    Re: House passes huge GOP budget cuts

    forefathers could be those who made thiis country great or those who started the problems facing us today. i suspect the ones you worship are the latter



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    Re: House passes huge GOP budget cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Mayor Snorkum View Post
    No. The US debt crisis commenced when FDR began pushing completely unconstitutional entitlement programs onto the public. That the nation could absorb those illegal programs for a short period is a testament to the strength of the nation's economy, not to any legitimacy of the programs. The existence of those programs drained tax revenues that could have been retained by the lawful owners of that money for their purposes, which would have led to expansions in the economy.



    Yes, as the Mayor pointed out, raising taxes when the nation is on the wrong side of the Laffer Curve is foolish.

    Raising taxes now is one of the most foolish things ever considered, and is a symptom of the ideological obstinancy of the enemies seeking to tear down this republic and the useful idiots volunteering to help them out of their misguided and emotional, and hence irrational, desire to help to po'.

    Wrecking the nation isn't going to help the po', people. It's past time you grew up and realized that. The cliff's edge is approaching fast, the nation needs you people to get away from the controls so the adults can try to fix things.
    Have you even a clue about the debt to GPD% of the US federal government over the last 100 years?

    It reached a high point during WW2 and drecreased dramaticaly for a time, then remained stable untill the Reagan admin where it dramatically increased


    As for the Laffer curve given the low level of US taxes compared to its history over the last 60 years I doubt the US is on the "wrong side" of it
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    Re: House passes huge GOP budget cuts

    And if you want proof of how a lazy society might be bad (besides, you know, the financial burden it places on the rest of the tax payers), look at the American Indians. If you know anything about the different tribes, you would know that the Lumbee tribe isn't recognized by the federal government. However, the Lumbees have large houses, deeds to their own land, large ranches, etc. Through NOT being recognized as a group that "needs help", they became strong capitalists and have (wait, that's right) BANKS on their land (Nope, no casinos).

    Now, compare them to the Sioux tribe. Ever seen a Sioux reservation? Not only does it look like a very large, spread out trailer park, but it looks completely government run. In fact, to say that there are more gov. run businesses than private would be just stating the obvious. The majority of the Sioux tribe is steadily waiting on the government to feed them through such payments as subsidies. That's right, they don't have to work for the majority of their own money!

    Somehow, I think this idea of "extending a hand and waiting for the government check" might not be such a great idea.

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    Re: House passes huge GOP budget cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Why do you people think that doing business in the US should be free?
    Why do you people think that doing business should carry a price tag?

    Isn't the business performing a function necessary to the health of the nation, providing goods, and services, and incidentally providing jobs? Isn't that reward enough to the nation? Doesn't every business owner, and their employees, pay taxes on their wages and taxes on the goods they consume? Should that not, in itself, be sufficient, so that taxing the engines of job growth, thereby watering down the fuel mixture or clogging the air filter, leads to less growth and more inefficiencies?

    Is your goal an efficient economy or revenge?

    You guys act as if everything should be handed to you and you shouldn't have to pay anything back to the country that allowed you to make the profits in the first place.
    Perhaps you should read the Constitution someday. Just a thought, it's probably a waste of time for everyone concerned, but, perhaps, if you could find someone with a copy of the Constitution who's willing to risk letting you see it, you could learn what the basis of this country is. It's not a matter of "allowing" people to run businesses and earn their livings, it's that this nation presumes people have the inherent freedom to run their own affairs.

    That's probably why all those Americans you keep arguing with keep telling you that confiscatory taxation is wrong.

    What's funny is that you people both insist that businesses be taxed so far up their wazoo that their uvulas have a price tag, but you then whine incessantly about "outsourcing" as if you really are blind to the consequences of what you demand.

    I'm so tired of this selfish...me me me...attitude that comes from those that think that they owe nothing to this great country.
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    Re: House passes huge GOP budget cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    Have you even a clue about the debt to GPD% of the US federal government over the last 100 years?

    It reached a high point during WW2 and drecreased dramaticaly for a time, then remained stable untill the Reagan admin where it dramatically increased


    As for the Laffer curve given the low level of US taxes compared to its history over the last 60 years I doubt the US is on the "wrong side" of it
    The deficit as a % of GDP during the 80s was never close to what it has been the last three years. As a matter of fact if you go back the last thrity years the deficit has not been as high in any year as it has been in each of the last three years.

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    Re: House passes huge GOP budget cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Mayor Snorkum View Post
    Why do you people think that doing business should carry a price tag?

    Isn't the business performing a function necessary to the health of the nation, providing goods, and services, and incidentally providing jobs? Isn't that reward enough to the nation? Doesn't every business owner, and their employees, pay taxes on their wages and taxes on the goods they consume? Should that not, in itself, be sufficient, so that taxing the engines of job growth, thereby watering down the fuel mixture or clogging the air filter, leads to less growth and more inefficiencies?

    Is your goal an efficient economy or revenge?



    Perhaps you should read the Constitution someday. Just a thought, it's probably a waste of time for everyone concerned, but, perhaps, if you could find someone with a copy of the Constitution who's willing to risk letting you see it, you could learn what the basis of this country is. It's not a matter of "allowing" people to run businesses and earn their livings, it's that this nation presumes people have the inherent freedom to run their own affairs.

    That's probably why all those Americans you keep arguing with keep telling you that confiscatory taxation is wrong.

    What's funny is that you people both insist that businesses be taxed so far up their wazoo that their uvulas have a price tag, but you then whine incessantly about "outsourcing" as if you really are blind to the consequences of what you demand.



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    This isn't an attack on paying taxes, this is an attack on capitalism. What's wrong with keeping the money you rightfully earn? Isn't that part of the American Dream, "Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness"? Why would anyone want to push for success in this country if we knew you would be taxed like a rented mule in the end? What good would come from that?

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    Re: House passes huge GOP budget cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    Have you even a clue about the debt to GPD% of the US federal government over the last 100 years?
    Have you any concept of what the payments on the 107 trillion dollars of currently unfunded liabilities is going to look like your grandchildren?

    It reached a high point during WW2 and drecreased dramaticaly for a time, then remained stable untill the Reagan admin where it dramatically increased
    And, when Obama's fantastical debt starts hitting the fan, and the United States will not be able to export it's union manufactured junk to a world that's moved on past WWII, what's going to happen to your children and grandchildren?

    That's right, they're going to default on the loans people like you foolishly insisted we persist in taking out.

    As for the Laffer curve given the low level of US taxes compared to its history over the last 60 years I doubt the US is on the "wrong side" of it
    The average American is paying roughly 50% of his wages in taxes. The nation is clearly on the wrong side of the Laffer Curve.

    Correction: The average American who pays taxes.

    Far too many citizens are freeloaders, but all you people can whine about is the 2% of the people paying 50% of the taxes. You never have anything to say about the nearly 50% of the people who pay no taxes at all.
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    Re: House passes huge GOP budget cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    LOL-your failure to address the issues is hilarious. you can call me ignorant all you want if that helps you with your real issues

    but the fact remains-you have no credibility once you claim that top tax payers aren't paying their fair share
    I've already proven the top tax payers do not pay the same percentage of their wealth as does the middle class. That is what the progressive taxes designed to correct. Our forefathers realized they needed away to address the two class system.

    and you cannot prove that taxing the rich more will help anything
    I can absolutely prove that it will increase our revenue!

    and its completely understandable why you don't want to deal with the fact that the current tax system has caused such a mess
    I have dealt with the fact just fine that our current tax system with the top tax rates slashed by the GOP has caused such a mess!

    If we ever decide to address our debt, we will have to make our tax system more progressive.
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