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    Re: House passes huge GOP budget cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    What you think is honestly irrelevant. You don't bother to use basic facts anyone can look up and you redefine words as you so please. What is "fair" do you? Have you ever defined that term? Do you stick to it when faced with the usage of your own defintion in an argument you don't like? Not a chance.



    Define fair. And I see how you are picking and choosing what you want to present. Why do you constantly shift what top %?
    Well, first off, any definition of fair will have to show compliance with existing law.

    Taxation in excess of the spending authorized by the Constititon is blatantly illegal, and hence unfair to everyone, even more so for those paying the greatest proportion of the taxes.

    The rich, of course, pay the greatest portion of the taxes.

    So, clearly, taxes are already too high. The issue of the budget deficit isn't one of insufficient taxes, it's one of excess and unconstitutional spending.

    Given that almost 50% of the nation isn't paying federal taxes, and it can't be fair that 2% of the people are carrying 50% of the tax burden. No rational definition of fair is going to allow this.

    Given that raising taxes on the wealthy when the tax system is on the wrong side of the Laffer Curve decreases revenue, what definition of "fair" can raise taxes on anyone, since the tax increase will decrease revenue? It can only be "fair" when the goal is not revenue generation but wealth redistribution, ie, theivery.

    Thievery is never fair by any honest appraisal.

    Fairness means spreading the tax burden out to more and more people, so they can understand the issues involved. Making it plain to people demanding presents from the federal government that their take home pay decreases would mean fewer people would elect politicians wanting to "give" them things.

    Making people pay for what they get, that's fair.

    Ending the unconstitutional spending, that's fair. after all, it is illegal spending.

    Robbing people because they have money, that's never fair, not at all.

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    Re: House passes huge GOP budget cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Mayor Snorkum View Post
    The nation's debt problems began with the New Deal, accelerated with the Great Society, compounded under Carter, got even worse when Tip O'Neill reneged on his bargain to cut federal spending commensurate with the Reagan tax cuts, suffered and imaginative period of complete "Lets close our eyes, we have a Democrat rapist in the White House", grew when the nation had to respond to that animals attacking on September 11, 2001, and suffered a sprint of cosmological proportioned inflation when the current half-wit puppet was put in office.

    The question isn't one of who did what yesterday or last millenium, the question is What the Hell Does the Nation do Now?

    Taxes on the rich inevitably do one thing: they end capital investment, which leads to unemployment, which leads to lower tax revenues, which leads to increased government spending with less revenue.

    Raising taxes when the nation is one the wrong side of the Laffer Curve is the mark of ignorance and incompetence.

    It's not surprising the Democats can think of nothing else.
    The US debt problems originated during the reagan admin, US federal government debt to GDP rose by 20% during that time frame while generally remaining flat for the most part during the previous admins after the mid 50's. The current half wit is just following the policy of the previous half wit and the no wit Reagan. You want to change the situation significant changes will have to be made. Changes none but the upper income and wealthy will want to see. The military will be gutted, SS willl be gutted, health care will be gutted. Just take a look at the UK and what it has done to the military to get an idea of what the US will have to do. Anyone with the idea that SS and medicare could be gutted without the military seeing rather significant cuts lives on a "Fantasy Island"

    As for the Laffer curve it is too widely used with too little thought applied. It has to include analysis regarding overall economic activity ( ie bubbles like the housing bubble) relative tax rates compared to surrounding jurisdictions ( ie US vs Mexico). In most cases it is used in to far a simplistic basis by far too simple people. Tax revenues may rise or fall after a tax increase or decrease. To state that the tax increase or decrease is the cause without an indepth analysis of the economy is impossible
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    Re: House passes huge GOP budget cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    LOL-your failure to address the issues is hilarious. you can call me ignorant all you want if that helps you with your real issues

    but the fact remains-you have no credibility once you claim that top tax payers aren't paying their fair share

    and you cannot prove that taxing the rich more will help anything

    and its completely understandable why you don't want to deal with the fact that the current tax system has caused such a mess

    many people have no reason to keep spending down because they aren't paying for the spending



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    Re: House passes huge GOP budget cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Slaves to the wealthy?

    Have you ever considered the reality that the more "gov't helps" the more people seem to "need it"?

    Why do you think Tax Cuts are giving the Wealthy anything? It's not the Gov'ts money first, it's the creators of the wealths money and the Gov't takes it.
    Why do you people think that doing business in the US should be free? You guys act as if everything should be handed to you and you shouldn't have to pay anything back to the country that allowed you to make the profits in the first place. I'm so tired of this selfish...me me me...attitude that comes from those that think that they owe nothing to this great country.
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    Re: House passes huge GOP budget cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Why do you people think that doing business in the US should be free? You guys act as if everything should be handed to you and you shouldn't have to pay anything back to the country that allowed you to make the profits in the first place. I'm so tired of this selfish...me me me...attitude that comes from those that think that they owe nothing to this great country.
    wrong-its you dems who whine about the rich not paying enough in order to buy the votes of the people who pay nothing



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    Re: House passes huge GOP budget cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    DD you forgot to accuse the right of wanting seniors and school childeren to eat dog food.
    Beats McDonald's.
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    Re: House passes huge GOP budget cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Come again?

    It appears debt under Carter and the preceding presidents was on the down turn.

    National Debt Graph by President
    ALL funding of unconstitutional programs is debt that must be repaid eventually.

    When considering the national debt, it's instructive to know that under Clinton the ten trillion dollar (10^10!!!!) national debt was easily seen to be the sum of the unconstitutional expenditures on Social Security, Welfare, and other programs. It did not include the unconstitutional spending on education and other federal programs lacking constitutional basis.

    Furthermore, you seem to ignore that Reagan held the power of the Veto. And only 9 of his 39 vetos were overriden.
    Boy, this is retarded.

    You people can't seem to figure out that mature adults, especially a mature adult trying to get the nation into recovery from the Disaster Known as Carter AND trying to secure victory against the Evil Empire, could not veto omnibus spending bills that would have crashed the economy if not passed.

    You people want to pretend that little fairies exist that can work miracles, while the adults are actually constrained to stay in the real world and deal with real problems realistically. But, when they do that, you want to pretend their failure to wave your magic wand places the blame for the natural consequences on their shoulders, and not on the shoulders of the corrupt politicians who engineered the circumstances to turn out in that fashion.

    And your refusal to blame those people comes from no other source than your own ignorant partisan loyalties to ideological principles that are the antithesis of the Constitutional principles that made this nation a success.

    But you still want to post smarmy ignorant statements like "gee, where's the veto pen", as if that's the answer to the problems facing the nation today.

    What's really retarded is that the Mayor is obligated to give this lecture to so many silly people and no matter how often the Mayor corrects them, there's always another ignorant person that will refuse to learn and will continue to post his ignorance.


    To absolve him of spending problems seems highly dishonest.
    What's extremely dishonest to pretend Tip O'Neill's role in busting the budget was irrelevant, as is noting that the budget busting items were the unconstitutional items the Democrats expanded.

    Also, note the vast tissue of lies propounded in the 1980's, the 3 million homeless bums that were somehow Reagan's fault, who magically vanished when the felonious perjeror was elected president. Note the scorn of the left-wing dominated media over Reagan's Space Defense Initiative. Note the continued lies about the alleged "mistakes of the past" when, rather than mistakes, Reagan's supply side economics reversed Carter's stagflation and generated 22 million jobs by the time Reagan left office.

    Because Obama believes allowing the people who earn their money to keep their money is a "mistake", Obama is seeing an inflationary surge and an economy stalling in preparation for a second recession, just when he's dragged the nation into a third war without getting us out of either of the other two.

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    Re: House passes huge GOP budget cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    wrong-its you dems who whine about the rich not paying enough in order to buy the votes of the people who pay nothing
    BS...this country runs best when there is revenue priming the pump. Reagans redistribution of wealth started to slow the well and today...the vast majority of the wealth of this country is in the hands of 3% of the population. They aren't putting money into the system which is why our economy is struggling. This 3% is content to ship American jobs and money overseas to increase their wealth even further.
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    Re: House passes huge GOP budget cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    BS...this country runs best when there is revenue priming the pump. Reagans redistribution of wealth started to slow the well and today...the vast majority of the wealth of this country is in the hands of 3% of the population. They aren't putting money into the system which is why our economy is struggling. This 3% is content to ship American jobs and money overseas to increase their wealth even further.
    winners win losers lose but that 3% is not static so that sort of blows a big hole in your class envy



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    Re: House passes huge GOP budget cuts

    Let's get past all of the crap slinging on this page and get to the real fact, which I think I made earlier-Why can't people on both sides of the fence understand that the budget needs to be cut? Regardless of where it comes from, someone is going to pissed-whether it be those who rely on entitlement programs or those who don't want to pay more taxes.

    We can keep bringing up past administrations, but that isn't going to get this country anywhere (even though many seem to think it led to a certain president winning an election...). The problem is NOW, and we can't afford to NOT fix it.

    Personally, yes...I think entitlement programs should be reformed. Why, do you ask? It's not about a partisan decision, its about today's culture. We live in a society that does NOT promote hard work or earning your own way. Too many people see an opportunity for an easy break, take it, and say "Hey, I'll work later". That quote then turns into a repetitive tone that just continues as long as possible. If you want an example, just look at what happened in the housing market a few years back. Suddenly, everyone needed to own a house regardless if they could make the mortgage payments. I can almost hear it now, "I'll just pay it off later". Instead, these people could have worked for their homes and they probably wouldn't have been evicted. Again, just my opinion, but we live in a LAZY society.

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