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    Re: House passes huge GOP budget cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    As usual, you completely ignore history. Taxes for the wealthy are the lowest they have been in over half a century. Our debt problems began when the taxes for the wealthy were slashed and will only begin to be addressed when the wealth begin paying their fair share again.
    you ignore reality and you dishonestly use tax rates as a facade to ignore the fact that the rich are paying MORE OF THE TOtAL federal taxes than at ANY TIME in THE Period you cited

    and its childish to claim that rich aren't paying their fair share when the top 5% pay more income taxes than the rest of the country

    and making the rich pay more won't deter the rest of the country from demanding more spending as they have ever since progressive income taxes have allowed politicians to buy the votes of the many by promising them others will pay the taxes needed to fund those handouts



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    Re: House passes huge GOP budget cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I do not expect you to recognize facts and historical research. I know it must be like reading Mandarin to you.

    It shows that a majority of BOTH parties voted to start the jewel of the New Deal programs that you rail against.

    Do you also need the annual budget votes in which the revenues from your hated Progressive Income Tax were continued and spent year after year and in budget after budget?

    The dude believes our forefathers were communists.
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    Re: House passes huge GOP budget cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    That is pretty much spot on as to how Turtle thinks.



    Not so sure about that. Even with a trillion dollars in revenue reduction from the tax cuts, the projected decline in debt even after Clinton's accounting fraud would have left us on a pretty solid financial footing. What really screwed us over was Iraq. Not to mention Bush's runaway socialist medicare drug bill. The one his adminstration blackmailed the FDA into lying to the public about the costs of .
    What I think is that those who claim the top one to five percent don't pay their fair share are dishonest and the numbers prove me right

    when the top one percent makes 22 percent of the income yet pays 40 percent of the income tax its blatant dishonesty to claim that one percent isn't paying its fair share



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    Re: House passes huge GOP budget cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Come and go as you please??????

    What does that have to do with your inability to comprehend historical research and see that BOTH parties passed both Social Security and the Progressive Income tax?

    That is the issue here. Your resume - my resume - your education - my education - your degrees - my degrees have nothing to do with the facts presented in support of the issue.

    What does any of that have to do with the fact that today the unconstitutional programs both parties passed a lifetime ago are leading the nation into economic disaster, and that only one party is even making an attempt, as lame as it is, to rectify the error made so long ago?

    Why aren't you focusing on the essential realities, namely:

    1) The programs were unconstitutional when passed.
    2) The programs are still unconstituitonal.
    3) The programs are killing America.
    4) The death of America is going to hit those poor you pretend to care about the worst of anyone?
    5) The Democrats are doing everything they can to increase the damage done, they're not simply attempting to maintain the status quo, they're actively seeking to expand the damage.

    Those are the salient issues.

    You're addressing not one of them.

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    Re: House passes huge GOP budget cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    The dude believes our forefathers were communists.
    stop lying. our forefathers would have judged you to be a traitor

    you limit your understanding of history to the New Deal and sooner because that is when 130 years of law was discarded by FDR



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    Re: House passes huge GOP budget cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Mayor Snorkum View Post
    What does any of that have to do with the fact that today the unconstitutional programs both parties passed a lifetime ago are leading the nation into economic disaster, and that only one party is even making an attempt, as lame as it is, to rectify the error made so long ago?

    Why aren't you focusing on the essential realities, namely:

    1) The programs were unconstitutional when passed.
    2) The programs are still unconstituitonal.
    3) The programs are killing America.
    4) The death of America is going to hit those poor you pretend to care about the worst of anyone?
    5) The Democrats are doing everything they can to increase the damage done, they're not simply attempting to maintain the status quo, they're actively seeking to expand the damage.

    Those are the salient issues.

    You're addressing not one of them.
    if it gets dems elected Haymarket and his fellow travelers believe that alone makes it constitutional



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    Re: House passes huge GOP budget cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    so you think spending like drunken sailors and buying votes with money we don't have is caring about fellow americans?
    That's an insult to drunken sailors everywhere.

    The Mayor took his turn at being a drunken sailor, and the Mayor will assure you, that drunken sailors stop spending when they run out of money.

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    Re: House passes huge GOP budget cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Mayor Snorkum View Post
    That's an insult to drunken sailors everywhere.

    The Mayor took his turn at being a drunken sailor, and the Mayor will assure you, that drunken sailors stop spending when they run out of money.
    My most humble apologies

    and the sailors tend to have honestly earned that which they spend



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    Re: House passes huge GOP budget cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    What I think is that those who claim the top one to five percent don't pay their fair share are dishonest and the numbers prove me right
    What you think is honestly irrelevant. You don't bother to use basic facts anyone can look up and you redefine words as you so please. What is "fair" do you? Have you ever defined that term? Do you stick to it when faced with the usage of your own defintion in an argument you don't like? Not a chance.

    when the top one percent makes 22 percent of the income yet pays 40 percent of the income tax its blatant dishonesty to claim that one percent isn't paying its fair share
    Define fair. And I see how you are picking and choosing what you want to present. Why do you constantly shift what top %?
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    Re: House passes huge GOP budget cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    What you think is honestly irrelevant. You don't bother to use basic facts anyone can look up and you redefine words as you so please. What is "fair" do you? Have you ever defined that term? Do you stick to it when faced with the usage of your own defintion in an argument you don't like? Not a chance.



    Define fair. And I see how you are picking and choosing what you want to present. Why do you constantly shift what top %?
    this is coming from the guy who just spewed the claim that Bachman is wrong on everything she says?

    fair can be many things

    1) paying for what you use--the poor and middle class don't meet that standard-they don't pay much income tax at all

    2) if a group makes 22% of the income paying 22% of the income tax has a strong argument of fairness even though those who make a lot pay more than they probably use and those who make little use more than what they contribute

    when you start whining that a group that pays far more of the income tax than their share of the income is not fair (and we know you don't mean they are paying too much) we are dealing with subjective envy on your part



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