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    Re: CA Senate bill mandates gay history in schools

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    I should add that we certainly discussed issues of the day (like Libya) that students indicated an interest in (or sometimes feigned interest in to see how long a delighted "my students are engaged" teacher would put off the day's lesson). We may even have been encouraged to explore such topics by getting extra credit for writing a summary of a newspaper clipping, Newsweek article, or somesuch. My comments in this thread are more aimed at the mandated curriculum.
    No, I understand that. I think current events are more often discussed then when I was in high school. I just think that history needs to be taught as history, and any of the ethnic, racial, sexual issues that are ancillary to the main point being taught can be presented if really pertinent, but otherwise, a quick mention... if even that, is all that is needed.
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    Re: CA Senate bill mandates gay history in schools

    I like the idea and do not view them as getting preferential treatment-just finally being included that they were/are gay. As it should be.
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    Re: CA Senate bill mandates gay history in schools

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    I will not get deep into this because I do not want to offend any one person....this is STOOOPID and this kind of thing is the reason our schools graduate half retards from HighSchool that cant read a full paragraph...stop the nonesense
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    Really, THIS is why our schools suck?
    Yes. Teach them to read, write and do math, math, math and more math. Do that and we might have a chance vs China and the rest of the world. Continue to push crap like this onto our kids and we will be lucky if we can keep our space program alive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Watch this.

    I disagree with this. In fact, I disagree with ALL of the special distinctions of ethnicity, nationality, sexual orientation, or anything that MUST be included. If the individual was important, for whatever reason, include him/her. Identify his/her "characteristics" in passing. To me, it's that simple. Once you make your ethnicity, race, or sexual orientation your defining characteristic, you diminish your importance and those achievements as a PERSON. Me being Jewish is part of who I am, but it does not define me.
    Wow, I agree with CC completly. That doesn't happen often.

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    Wow, I agree with CC completly. That doesn't happen often.
    I know. Could be a first.
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    Re: CA Senate bill mandates gay history in schools

    I don't see the importance of it, unless someone did something specifically because they were gay, then it's not really important, same with race, religion, favourite colour or size of their big toes.
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    Re: CA Senate bill mandates gay history in schools

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    But the basics are not being compromised by teaching things like this. The basics should be learned in elementary school, and they should be expanded on in middle, and high school. They should know about LGBT history, just like they should know about black history, about European history, about asian history, about all of history. We should teach our kids to think critically, and demand the best from our kids, not just expect them to know the basics and move on, that is why the school system is in the mess it is in now. We should demand more not less.
    Sorry but I couldn't disagree more. The only real history they absolutely must know, and it is really more political science, is how the political system of the USA works. Other than that, I could give a ratsí behind whether my kid knows who Caesar, Hitler or anyone else is much less whether they might or might not have been gay.

    Let it be one of those lame college electives they can choose to learn about if they so choose but stop trying to push your gay acceptance into the school curriculum.

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    Re: CA Senate bill mandates gay history in schools

    Whatever it takes to learn kids to be tolerant and respectful and aware of good things about people who are not just like them is fine by me,

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    Re: CA Senate bill mandates gay history in schools

    Quote Originally Posted by Bruce View Post
    I don't see the importance of it, unless someone did something specifically because they were gay, then it's not really important, same with race, religion, favourite colour or size of their big toes.
    Exactly. It doesn't matter if Hitler or Alexander had a gay relationship, at least to anyone who isn't a college history major. Leave the kids alone and demand more math, reading and writing from them in their early years. The LGBT community is really starting to push things too far. Whether someone was LGBT is about as important to the rest of us as whether they smoked cigars, drank coffee or liked to sleep in on Saturday mornings.

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