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    Re: CA Senate bill mandates gay history in schools

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    If it makes you feel better, Mayor, they probably won't mention Larry Craig either.
    And...Larry Craig was so far off the Mayor's radar screen of things of import it took the Mayor a full thirty seconds to remember who he was.

    Did Larry Craig do anything impressive like "Eating the Most Young Men" or "Barbequeing the Most Religious Fanatics"?

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    Re: CA Senate bill mandates gay history in schools

    Quote Originally Posted by Mayor Snorkum View Post

    Did Larry Craig do anything impressive like "Eating the Most Young Men"
    Well, he claims not to be into that sort of thing, but...

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    Re: CA Senate bill mandates gay history in schools

    Quote Originally Posted by Temporal View Post
    The right wing are going to just love this.

    Do you agree with making this a mandatory part of the curriculum?

    I'm somewhat torn, mostly because I don't think gays should get preferential treatment. If things are going to shape up in this direction, then wouldn't it make sense to include things like black history?

    I do believe that gays are unnecessarily censored from the history books. In college I took a course about gay and feminist history and I was shocked by the amount of material that nobody has any idea about. For example, some of the world's major inventors, world leaders, CEOs, etc. were gay and had partners, yet we never hear about them. Perhaps it is time for the revisionism to end.
    I think people are a little confused about those differnt groups. I kmow I am.

    To me, a homosexual is one who is attracted to the same sex, the way a heterosexual is attracted to the oppisite sex. That's all. A homosexual male has no desire to be a woman or imitate one. They are men and like men stuff.

    There are people who seem to have been born to the wrong body. They are not really homosexual, they are just in the wrong body.

    I don't know about bisexual except that God likes all kinds so he creates all kinds.

    Transgenders. Ok, that's the people who have figured out they are in the wrong body. That's a really tough blow life has dealt them

    Of course if everybody would just be more "live and let live" " to each his own" "a chair is just a chair" things would be easier for sure.

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    Re: CA Senate bill mandates gay history in schools

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    That is a big problem I saw too. What is gay history? The Stonewall riots, Harvey Milk and AIDS terrorizing the gay community? What else?
    Hella I know.

    Honestly, I don't see why it can't all be rolled in together. I understand the need for specialized classes where appropriate at higher levels after the general stuff has been outlined. Bu for the most part what should be available to children is the basic outline of major events and themes. I don't see why that can't include events and contributions from all sort of people. Nor do I see how it helps to segment the teaching of civics, history and social study type things into different "histories" instead of integrating it. I mean that's how things actually happen, kind all together in a big inseparable knot.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: CA Senate bill mandates gay history in schools

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I'm not exaggerating this, but I think this may be the single most stupid piece of legislation.
    I certainly don't know how you can choose from among all the eligible contenders for this honor.

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    We should teach history and leave sexuality out of it.
    I disagree. History has sexuality in it.
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    Re: CA Senate bill mandates gay history in schools

    agreed, but the notion that they should only teach the "good" gays, but not the "bad" ones is rather questionable. it seems to me that's fairly obvious partisanship over scholarship, there.

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    Re: CA Senate bill mandates gay history in schools

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    I would guess anything relating involving the LGBT rights movement. But I don't think we should teach "gay history" per say, we should just teach history competently, and to do that, you have to acknowledge LGBT people.
    You are exactly right!!

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    Re: CA Senate bill mandates gay history in schools

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    agreed, but the notion that they should only teach the "good" gays, but not the "bad" ones is rather questionable. it seems to me that's fairly obvious partisanship over scholarship, there.
    I am not sure that this is the case. I think there is a difference between teaching that some subset of people are bad and saying that this or that person did bad things. I think the law allows for things to reflect adversely upon persons because of their actions instead of their race, sex,
    color, creed, handicap, national origin, or ancestry.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: CA Senate bill mandates gay history in schools

    What in the hell is going on? Folks, you are all shouting over each other. This issue is REALLY simple. Teaching gay history is absurd. Teaching black history is absurd. Teaching Jewish history is absurd. Each of these things have a component in history. Gay civil rights is an important component to teach in history, as is the issue of gay marriage. Slavery, Jim Crow Laws, and Black civil rights are important components to teach in history. The Holocaust is an important component to teach in history, as is the formation of Israel. These things are all important because, historically, they have had significant impacts on where we are today, and what issues we deal with. They are completely unimportant SEPARATE from the context of our history. If we are going to teach history, we need to teach things that are important. You want to understand more about gay history? Take a class on it in college. Gay civil rights will be discussed in high school, as will gay marriage. Other smaller issues, just to pander to a group? Should not happen... nor should it happen to ANY group.

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    Re: CA Senate bill mandates gay history in schools

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    But teaching what I have mentioned won't cause the things you mentioned to not be taught. All those things need to be taught, I learned about all of those things in history class, so it can be done.
    It will cause something not to be taught. It's not as if classes now have periods of thumb-twiddling because there's nothing important to learn.

    Back to the opening post, this was justified in part because of "bullying and suicide" - do you see education on the issues you identified or perhaps others having an impact on that? Would you agree it's more a discipline problem than an "I don't know enough LGBT history" problem?

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