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    Re: CA Senate bill mandates gay history in schools

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    I'm not sure religion of ANY kind is taught in public schools, is it?

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    Re: CA Senate bill mandates gay history in schools

    Quote Originally Posted by Temporal View Post
    The right wing are going to just love this.

    Do you agree with making this a mandatory part of the curriculum?
    No, of course not. The state doesn't teach real history, why should it start demanding teaching gay history before it teaches real history? All the above bill will do is further politicize the curriculum and subtract even more time from a class that is supposed to teach where this nation came from and encourage the student to think about where it's going.

    "Gay" history is an irrelevance. They don't even teach any adequate lessons on Washington, Jefferson, Madison, Franklin, Adams, or the rest.

    I do believe that gays are unnecessarily censored from the history books. In college I took a course about gay and feminist history and I was shocked by the amount of material that nobody has any idea about. For example, some of the world's major inventors, world leaders, CEOs, etc. were gay and had partners, yet we never hear about them. Perhaps it is time for the revisionism to end.
    Then again, it simply isn't important what they did in the bedroom or the barn, since it likely had nothing to do with the technical perfection of the light bulb, the rail road, or the Declaration of Independence or anything else, depending on which rumors were claimed as "fact" in your course.

    Seriously, no one cares if Michelangelo was homosexual. He was an artist, it's expected.

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    Re: CA Senate bill mandates gay history in schools

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    While I have no problem with gay issues being taught in school to age appropriate kids, I don't really support mandating it. I do however support this part:

    But starting in the 2013-14 school year, it would prohibit districts and the California Board of Education from using textbooks or other instructional materials that reflect adversely on gay, bisexual and transgender Americans.
    So, no text book in California will be able to discuss Jeffrey Dahmer or Janet Reno.

    Nor will they be able to teach honestly about Justices Sotomayor and Kagan.

    Barney Frank's role in causing the Crash of 2008 won't be mentioned, either.

    Is that kind of censorship productive?

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    Re: CA Senate bill mandates gay history in schools

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    I don't think one needs any special training on how to teach history that involves the LGBT people. In regards to US they should know how LGBT people have been treated, and about the LGBT rights movement, and they should be taught similar things about world history etc. It should not be a section about "LGBT history" specifically, but it should just be apart of history class, and when the teacher gets to that specific point in history, and something of importance happened in regards to LGBT issues, it should be brought up, just like with women's history, black history, native american history etc. Our students have a right to know about this stuff.
    You can't equate the LGBT community to those other groups, because to be quite blunt, history regarding women, blacks, and native Americans is vastly more important to a general understanding history (especially in this country) than history on LGBT issues (and even it gets much less talk-time than many would like).

    Pregnancy camps, contraceptives in the mail, or sodomy laws are are not even close to being on the same shelf of importance as things like the slave trade, suffrage, the trail of tears, miscegenation laws, and western expansion and the battle of little bighorn.
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    Re: CA Senate bill mandates gay history in schools

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    Who said this is going to be taught before that? It makes no sense to think that.
    You need to pay more attention to what public schools in Calfornia do in particular, and do nationwide, in general.

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    Re: CA Senate bill mandates gay history in schools

    Quote Originally Posted by Temporal View Post
    The right wing are going to just love this.

    Do you agree with making this a mandatory part of the curriculum?

    I'm somewhat torn, mostly because I don't think gays should get preferential treatment. If things are going to shape up in this direction, then wouldn't it make sense to include things like black history?

    I do believe that gays are unnecessarily censored from the history books. In college I took a course about gay and feminist history and I was shocked by the amount of material that nobody has any idea about. For example, some of the world's major inventors, world leaders, CEOs, etc. were gay and had partners, yet we never hear about them. Perhaps it is time for the revisionism to end.
    I'm assuming they mean that things like the gay rights movement would be covered along with every other rights movement in this country. If so, then I don't see the big deal...

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    Re: CA Senate bill mandates gay history in schools

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    You can't equate the LGBT community to those other groups, because to be quite blunt, history regarding women, blacks, and native Americans is vastly more important to a general understanding history (especially in this country) than history on LGBT issues (and even it gets much less talk-time than many would like).

    Pregnancy camps, contraceptives in the mail, or sodomy laws are are not even close to being on the same shelf of importance as things like the slave trade, suffrage, the trail of tears, miscegenation laws, and western expansion and the battle of little bighorn.
    But teaching what I have mentioned won't cause the things you mentioned to not be taught. All those things need to be taught, I learned about all of those things in history class, so it can be done.
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    Re: CA Senate bill mandates gay history in schools

    Quote Originally Posted by Mayor Snorkum View Post
    So, no text book in California will be able to discuss Jeffrey Dahmer or Janet Reno.

    Nor will they be able to teach honestly about Justices Sotomayor and Kagan.

    Barney Frank's role in causing the Crash of 2008 won't be mentioned, either.

    Is that kind of censorship productive?
    If it makes you feel better, Mayor, they probably won't mention Larry Craig either.

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    Re: CA Senate bill mandates gay history in schools

    Quote Originally Posted by Temporal View Post
    The right wing are going to just love this.
    actually i don't mind it.

    Do you agree with making this a mandatory part of the curriculum?
    nope. but you know what? it's california. as a state they have the right to do this. States should run their own education programs free from federal interference with the exception of minimum standards.

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    Re: CA Senate bill mandates gay history in schools

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    But the basics are not being compromised by teaching things like this.
    Don't be daft.

    The kid spends seven hours in school, that's 420 minutes. 60 minutes out for lunch, etc etc. Say the little darlings are exposed to 225 minutes of "history" a week. Every minute wasted discussing what each historical figure likes to do with his penis or ass subtracts from the time the student could be learning what they did that they should care about.

    [/quote]The basics should be learned in elementary school, and they should be expanded on in middle, and high school. They should know about LGBT history, just like they should know about black history, about European history, about asian history, about all of history.[/quote]

    Why? Black history month is wasted month, as the students waste time learning about the actions of people on the fringes of society who accomplished little of note. The critical elements of American history influenced by blacks should be covered in the normal chonology of the study, not relegated to a month crowded with irrelevancies. Dred Scot is properly treated in the context of the ante-bellum USA, not as part of some "black history". If some person's actions affected the whole of the United States, then it's relevant to discuss them, if their actions are significant because of their race, as was Dred Scot and Rosa Parks, then it's appropriate to mention it. Otherwise, it's no more important that someone was black and informing everyone that Reagan was descended from Ireland.

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