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    Re: CA Senate bill mandates gay history in schools

    I'm not exaggerating this, but I think this may be the single most stupid piece of legislation. We should teach history and leave sexuality out of it. We don't teach that George Washington the straight guy was our first president. I do not think they should teach "gay history" in schools.
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    Re: CA Senate bill mandates gay history in schools

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    That is a problem, certainly, but not the only one.
    True, our standards are way too low, I remember taking the Georgia High School graduation test in 11th grade, and me, and most of my friends who were in AP classes finished them in like 10, 15 minutes, and all passed with flying colors. Yet I remember people who didn't graduate because they failed those test. That is just sad.
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    Re: CA Senate bill mandates gay history in schools

    Quote Originally Posted by Temporal View Post
    The right wing are going to just love this.

    Do you agree with making this a mandatory part of the curriculum?

    I'm somewhat torn, mostly because I don't think gays should get preferential treatment. If things are going to shape up in this direction, then wouldn't it make sense to include things like black history?

    I do believe that gays are unnecessarily censored from the history books. In college I took a course about gay and feminist history and I was shocked by the amount of material that nobody has any idea about. For example, some of the world's major inventors, world leaders, CEOs, etc. were gay and had partners, yet we never hear about them. Perhaps it is time for the revisionism to end.
    Hmm, ok, then we get bible history in the mandatory curriculum.

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    Re: CA Senate bill mandates gay history in schools

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    But I don't think we should teach "gay history" per say, we should just teach history competently, and to do that, you have to acknowledge LGBT people.
    Well, no - I would guess that the vast majority of our greatest living historians never received any formal training on LGBT people. It's not a question of competence, it's a question of what you want to cover in the limited amount of time available. If we could do it all, there would be no need for history courses in college or beyond.

    On the other hand, if you try to acknowledge everything, treatment of each topic will be so brief that students will have learned nothing.

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    Re: CA Senate bill mandates gay history in schools

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I'm not exaggerating this, but I think this may be the single most stupid piece of legislation. We should teach history and leave sexuality out of it. We don't teach that George Washington the straight guy was our first president. I do not think they should teach "gay history" in schools.
    But sexuality is apart of history, for example, lets say you want to understand how the Papacy worked during the Renaissance, and how it is different from the Papacy today, and apart of that is knowing that most popes of that era had children, and had sex. Also knowing things like it was illegal to mail contraceptives in the US for many years, that sodomy was illegal, about the camps pregnant girls would go to, so they could avoid the embarrassment. All those things should be taught in history class, like I said, it shouldn't be "gay history" it should be included in history class.
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    Re: CA Senate bill mandates gay history in schools

    Has anybody made history because they were gay?
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    Re: CA Senate bill mandates gay history in schools

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    While I have no problem with gay issues being taught in school to age appropriate kids, I don't really support mandating it. I do however support this part:
    But starting in the 2013-14 school year, it would prohibit districts and the California Board of Education from using textbooks or other instructional materials that reflect adversely on gay, bisexual and transgender Americans.
    So we can extrapolate that out, as per Equality, that no text can ever say anything bad about any ethnicity; and since everyone is some ethnicity, no text can ever say anything bad about anyone, however true it may be.

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    Re: CA Senate bill mandates gay history in schools

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    But sexuality is apart of history, for example, lets say you want to understand how the Papacy worked during the Renaissance, and how it is different from the Papacy today, and apart of that is knowing that most popes of that era had children, and had sex. Also knowing things like it was illegal to mail contraceptives in the US for many years, that sodomy was illegal, about the camps pregnant girls would go to, so they could avoid the embarrassment. All those things should be taught in history class, like I said, it shouldn't be "gay history" it should be included in history class.
    I disagree. I think things like that aren't very relevant to history and I believe the goal of the CA senate bill is to influence the morality of students. I think sexuality should be left out of history class. I think schools should stay away from sexual ethics.
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    Re: CA Senate bill mandates gay history in schools

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    So your saying history has no educational value?

    Also what would you consider essential?
    No. History has great value. History of specifically targeted minority subpopulations has great value to an elective class in college and that's about it.

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    Re: CA Senate bill mandates gay history in schools

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    So we can extrapolate that out, as per Equality, that no text can ever say anything bad about any ethnicity; and since everyone is some ethnicity, no text can ever say anything bad about anyone, however true it may be.
    I believe that is already law in CA, and I agree with that. Textbooks should not criticize due to ethnicity.
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