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    Re: CA Senate bill mandates gay history in schools

    I'm all for diversity being celebrated but I think kids should be taught how to read, write, perform basic math problems, and our general US history first. When they get that down, then move on to some of the other stuff.

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    Re: CA Senate bill mandates gay history in schools

    Quote Originally Posted by Nonplussed View Post
    I'm all for diversity being celebrated but I think kids should be taught how to read, write, perform basic math problems, and our general US history first. When they get that down, then move on to some of the other stuff.
    Who said this is going to be taught before that? It makes no sense to think that.
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    Who said this is going to be taught before that? It makes no sense to think that.
    I'm saying that if they can't manage to teach our kids the basics as it is, it's not really time to be looking at this as something to add to the curriculum.

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    Re: CA Senate bill mandates gay history in schools

    What it even mean?
    Does having an in class discussion for a few minutes satisfy the requirement? Or does it have to be something that requires its own text book?

    The bill doesn't say.
    SB 48 Senate Bill - AMENDED

    If they want to spend some time in social studies class talking about it, hella I care. I wouldn't even care if I had kids in the CA system.

    If it is its own course, I would think it was excessive.


    That being said, social studies/history textbooks should do their best to present the facts about people and events. Yes, some things in the world and in history make some people uncomfortable, but there is no protection from the facts.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: CA Senate bill mandates gay history in schools

    Quote Originally Posted by Nonplussed View Post
    I'm saying that if they can't manage to teach our kids the basics as it is, it's not really time to be looking at this as something to add to the curriculum.
    We shouldn't dumb down our schools just so they know the basics, we need to increase the rigor in our school curriculum, and if the kids don't get it they can do it over again by repeating the grade.
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    Re: CA Senate bill mandates gay history in schools

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    We shouldn't dumb down our schools just so they know the basics, we need to increase the rigor in our school curriculum, and if the kids don't get it they can do it over again by repeating the grade.
    And when we start doing just that, I can agree with you. Until then, I don't think we need to be adding all these extra items to the curriculum. Sorry. Gay history can wait until we are cranking out more engineers and doctors.

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    Re: CA Senate bill mandates gay history in schools

    Quote Originally Posted by Nonplussed View Post
    And when we start doing just that, I can agree with you. Until then, I don't think we need to be adding all these extra items to the curriculum. Sorry. Gay history can wait until we are cranking out more engineers and doctors.
    We should be teaching history competently, not just LGBT history, of course to teach history competently you have to include LGBT history. Nothing that should be included in our school curriculum should be considered extra, we need to demand more of our students, not less.
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    Re: CA Senate bill mandates gay history in schools

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    We should be teaching history competently, not just LGBT history, of course to teach history competently you have to include LGBT history. Nothing that should be included in our school curriculum should be considered extra, we need to demand more of our students, not less.
    When our kids are actually learning the basics, then we can expand. Until then, gay history can wait.

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    Re: CA Senate bill mandates gay history in schools

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    What it even mean?
    Does having an in class discussion for a few minutes satisfy the requirement? Or does it have to be something that requires its own text book?

    The bill doesn't say.
    SB 48 Senate Bill - AMENDED

    If they want to spend some time in social studies class talking about it, hella I care. I wouldn't even care if I had kids in the CA system.

    If it is its own course, I would think it was excessive.


    That being said, social studies/history textbooks should do their best to present the facts about people and events. Yes, some things in the world and in history make some people uncomfortable, but there is no protection from the facts.
    That is a big problem I saw too. What is gay history? The Stonewall riots, Harvey Milk and AIDS terrorizing the gay community? What else?
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    Re: CA Senate bill mandates gay history in schools

    Quote Originally Posted by Nonplussed View Post
    When our kids are actually learning the basics, then we can expand. Until then, gay history can wait.
    But the basics are not being compromised by teaching things like this. The basics should be learned in elementary school, and they should be expanded on in middle, and high school. They should know about LGBT history, just like they should know about black history, about European history, about asian history, about all of history. We should teach our kids to think critically, and demand the best from our kids, not just expect them to know the basics and move on, that is why the school system is in the mess it is in now. We should demand more not less.
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