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    Re: Sea-based Missile Defense Flight Test Results in Successful Intercept

    Quote Originally Posted by Mayor Snorkum View Post
    Hello?

    You're thinking maybe MIRV technology wasn't a military secret? If it was open source technology, then explain why the Chinese didn't already have it? They've been engaged in a decades long program of industrial espionage. Also, Loral did it for commercial advantage and it had the added benefit of political cronyism, too.

    There's a reason why the Chinese Long March II rocket was called, Before Loral, the Long Shot II. All of us working in the space industry are aware of what Loral did.
    Dude, you need to go read the post history on this thread because you look like a fool right now.

    Your desire for bigger government and less freedom wonít prevent the transfer of technology if the government decides to trade it to a foreign nation and it wonít stop the threat of spies who infiltrate American businesses.

    If you stopped hating on America a little more you would see that the corporations that build American weapons didnít sell MIRV technology to China simply because they are capitalists and you would realize that you look like a real fool right now because you just took sides with an anti American socialist who thinks capitalism is evil.

    Are you an anti capitalist? You sound like a friggen commie who hates America. Get a clue dude.

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    Re: Sea-based Missile Defense Flight Test Results in Successful Intercept

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    They won't have to steal it. Corporations are loyal to the strong currency and the renminbi is really comin' on. Corporations are in business to make money and if the Chinese offer the top dollar, they will own the technology. That is the American Corporate way. They don't live and breathe and I don't notice anything about patriotism in an accounting ledger. The sad facts!
    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    American corporations that work in the American defense sector aren’t about to sell America out to the highest bidder. You have some serious issues if you think otherwise.
    Quote Originally Posted by Mayor Snorkum View Post
    That's utter bull****. Loral Corp under umm.. Bernie Schwartz gave China MIRV technology simply to close the deal on a single satellite launch, and the Clinton administations Department of Commerce, in exchange for campaign cash to the DNC, gave it the go ahead.
    Quote Originally Posted by Mayor Snorkum View Post
    Hello?

    You're thinking maybe MIRV technology wasn't a military secret? If it was open source technology, then explain why the Chinese didn't already have it? They've been engaged in a decades long program of industrial espionage. Also, Loral did it for commercial advantage and it had the added benefit of political cronyism, too.

    There's a reason why the Chinese Long March II rocket was called, Before Loral, the Long Shot II. All of us working in the space industry are aware of what Loral did.
    Quote Originally Posted by Mayor Snorkum View Post
    Unless they can get a technology export waiver from the Clinton administration... The separation system technology Loral handed to China was ITAR protected.
    Your claim that capitalism and American corporate greed is so evil that even American Defense Contractors will simply sell military secrets to anyone that is willing to pay for them is laughable and you can’t be taken seriously Mayor Snorkum.

    Yes there have been leaks in the past but American Defense Contractors don’t just sell top secret info to anyone who is willing to pay for it as you would have us believe. We are more American than that.
    Last edited by GPS_Flex; 04-18-11 at 06:33 AM.

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    It would seem that the constitution is just a god damn piece of paper, to be trotted out when expedient.

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    Re: Sea-based Missile Defense Flight Test Results in Successful Intercept

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    Your claim that capitalism and American corporate greed is so evil that even American Defense Contractors will simply sell military secrets to anyone that is willing to pay for them is laughable and you can’t be taken seriously Mayor Snorkum.

    Yes there have been leaks in the past but American Defense Contractors don’t just sell top secret info to anyone who is willing to pay for it as you would have us believe. We are more American than that.
    We all miss the main point here.. The US military offense/defense budget of $700 billion is an example of an industry that needs regular wars to survive. Lots of money in war and if you don't have one, start one. After all, ol Sammy over there is looking like, maybe, could be gonna, almost, possibly readying to throw a dog turd at you. Smite 'em. Smote 'em. Talk bad about him and buy bigger, more expensive weapons. Warring Nations are not the good guys! The USA has historically made money on WARS. Time for change. The people have been snookered. Throw some peace at them. Get your ears bobbed.

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    Re: Sea-based Missile Defense Flight Test Results in Successful Intercept

    We already have missile defense from nuclear attacks...


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    Re: Sea-based Missile Defense Flight Test Results in Successful Intercept

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Missile defense systems are the most idiotic waste of taxpayer money imaginable. These kind of programs should be the first thing on the chopping block when we're looking at budget cuts. The threat from nuclear weapons doesn't come from nation-states with ICBMs, it comes from terrorists smuggling them into New York Harbor.
    For heaven's sake, the chances of a terrorist group sneaking a nuke into the United States is minimal compared to the very real and ever-present risk of nuclear missiles being fired. Saying that it would never happen is just naive. For one, even if you argued that the current governments would not attack us that is no assurance that a future government or some faction would not. I do not think it is even remotely appropriate to gamble on the good faith of other countries with millions of American lives.

    I really find it incredible that so many people are so adamantly opposed to purely defensive weapon systems like this. The reality is no sane leader in the United States is going to think of a missile defense system as safely allowing for aggression against a nuclear power. No other sane leader in the world is going to take the building of a missile defense system as a threat of war. They will look at ways to counter such defenses, but that is the limit of what they would do.
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    Re: Sea-based Missile Defense Flight Test Results in Successful Intercept

    Quote Originally Posted by Demon of Light View Post
    For heaven's sake, the chances of a terrorist group sneaking a nuke into the United States is minimal compared to the very real and ever-present risk of nuclear missiles being fired.
    Sorry, that's just not the case. Nuclear proliferation to terrorist groups is a very real threat, and is growing larger each year. There are at least two unstable regimes (North Korea and Pakistan) that already have nukes, and another one (Iran) that is actively pursuing them. It's not difficult to envision a situation where one or more of these regimes starts to fall apart and there are loose nukes floating around.

    Quote Originally Posted by Demon of Light
    Saying that it would never happen is just naive. For one, even if you argued that the current governments would not attack us that is no assurance that a future government or some faction would not.
    There's no assurance that they would not, but they are much less motivated to do so than terrorist groups. Compare the cost/benefit analysis of a nation-state launching a nuke, versus a terrorist group doing the same. If a nation-state launched nukes at us, they'd be wiped off the map. If a terrorist group with a nuke in a truck detonated it, it would be very difficult for the US to respond in kind (since there probably wouldn't be an obvious target), and terrorists would be much less likely to care about staying alive or preserving their country anyway.

    Quote Originally Posted by Demon of Light
    I do not think it is even remotely appropriate to gamble on the good faith of other countries with millions of American lives.
    We can't have everything we want. There just isn't enough money available. Therefore our defense dollars should prioritize things that will do the most to protect people for the least cost, which is definitely not missile defense.

    Quote Originally Posted by Demon of Light
    I really find it incredible that so many people are so adamantly opposed to purely defensive weapon systems like this. The reality is no sane leader in the United States is going to think of a missile defense system as safely allowing for aggression against a nuclear power. No other sane leader in the world is going to take the building of a missile defense system as a threat of war. They will look at ways to counter such defenses, but that is the limit of what they would do.
    This is irrelevant to the fact that it's an expensive boondoggle that does very little to protect American security, when there are plenty of more important things that we could be doing but aren't, because we lack the funding.
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    Re: Sea-based Missile Defense Flight Test Results in Successful Intercept

    ICBM's require serious infrastructure that is only available to nation states. The threat of nuclear retaliation is highly effective at keeping nation states in line. Meanwhile, the U.S. has border security that is a bad joke. We can't even prevent millions of poor people from wandering across the border, much less organized groups like drug smugglers or terrorists. It is foolish to spend money on a missile shield when you literally can't even keep the front door closed. Budgets are a zero sum game and money needs to spent in areas where it actually has a useful impact.

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    Re: Sea-based Missile Defense Flight Test Results in Successful Intercept

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    ICBM's require serious infrastructure that is only available to nation states. The threat of nuclear retaliation is highly effective at keeping nation states in line. Meanwhile, the U.S. has border security that is a bad joke. We can't even prevent millions of poor people from wandering across the border, much less organized groups like drug smugglers or terrorists. It is foolish to spend money on a missile shield when you literally can't even keep the front door closed. Budgets are a zero sum game and money needs to spent in areas where it actually has a useful impact.
    If we stopped the wars, stopped the nation building and bribes in the Middle East and brought our troops home, we would save plenty of money, enough to fund this defensive program and other defensive programs like border security.

    Surely we can cut enough of the offensive programs to pay for defensive programs. How can anyone oppose defensive programs unless they arenít Americans?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    It would seem that the constitution is just a god damn piece of paper, to be trotted out when expedient.

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    Re: Sea-based Missile Defense Flight Test Results in Successful Intercept

    If we stopped the wars, stopped the nation building and bribes in the Middle East and brought our troops home, we would save plenty of money, enough to fund this defensive program and other defensive programs like border security.

    Surely we can cut enough of the offensive programs to pay for defensive programs. How can anyone oppose defensive programs unless they aren’t Americans?
    My plan is to build a series of stone castles along the Canadian border. Do you support my defensive plan or are you not an American?

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    Re: Sea-based Missile Defense Flight Test Results in Successful Intercept

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    My plan is to build a series of stone castles along the Canadian border. Do you support my defensive plan or are you not an American?
    Sounds like a plan. Draw up a budget and start the research.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    It would seem that the constitution is just a god damn piece of paper, to be trotted out when expedient.

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