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    Re: Sea-based Missile Defense Flight Test Results in Successful Intercept

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Why do you think the chance of "an upstart nation with new toys being willing to attack" the US is good? Because you saw a really supercool movie about it?

    Because every student of military tactics knows that it's necessary to account for every potential threat, and the potential for a nuclear attack on the United States is much greater then zero.

    It's also necessary to assess our possible responses.

    North Korea launches a shipboard based Tae Po Dong nuke to Los Angeles. It hits Anaheim, wiping out Mickey Mouse.

    Will the US respond by nuking Pyongyang? Is China going to sit still for that? What are the ramifications? North Korea could easily feel protected by China and launch on a madman's whim.

    If Terhan nukes New York, will Russia sit quietly by to eat the radioactive fallout from our response? Perhaps it would be politically inexpedient to respond in kind. Certain presidents, like the last four, value the opinion of the UN over their own constituents. Obama's second term won't be run seeking votes for Obama, it's very easy to imagine he'd refuse to nuke a muslim nation for an attack on the US.

    It's orders of magnitude better to stop the missile in mid-air and embarass the crap out of the attacker than to contemplate the possible responses, especially considering the large faction of traitors in the US who opposed any military response to the 9-11 attacks.

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    Re: Sea-based Missile Defense Flight Test Results in Successful Intercept

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Where is a ragtag group of terrorists going to get an ICBM, much less the capability and knowhow to actually target it and fire it?
    Where did a ragtag band of terrorists come up with FOUR (4!) 757's to play with one summer morning?

    They stole them.

    Where did they get the funding to perform their show? Why, from a national government.

    Fancy that.

    Are you so damned ignorant of recent history you can make such idiotic claims? Let alone the history of the duplicities of the preceding ten thousand years of human existence?

    Yes. Allah telegrammed me. Exactly correct.
    Aaaaaand another moron goes on my ignore list.
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    Re: Sea-based Missile Defense Flight Test Results in Successful Intercept

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Oh I can already tell that you're going to be a mental giant.
    Arguing that we should do X, Y, and Z strictly because the government says so is ****ing retarded.



    We need to do a cost/benefit analysis of these sort of things. The risk of another nation attacking us with ICBMs (and that the system successfully shoots them down) is exceedingly low. The risk of a terrorist group attacking us with nuclear weapons is much, much higher. A missile defense system is an extraordinary waste of money relative to the actual risk that we face from a nation-state firing missiles at us.

    But I suppose that as long as there are people like you who are willing to shriek loudly about any threat, however remote, the possibilities of the government actually conducting (and using) a risk analysis are slim to none.
    Yeah, I am a lot smarter than you but don’t let that stop you from entertaining me with posts that point out how inept our government can be. I love it when liberals dwell on government incompetency.

    By the way, if you were smarter than me, you would know that it is a cost/risk analysis we should be looking at, but I digress. Perhaps you really did mean “cost/benefit” analysis which is a great place to start.

    What value would you put on Los Angeles? If Dr. Evil had a nuke and threatened to destroy Los Angeles unless we sent him some money, at what point would you consider the price too high to pay and accept the fact that a major American city will become a nuclear hazard zone?

    As for the risk, all you need to ask yourself is whether it is physically possible for someone to launch a nuclear armed missile at a major US city. Obviously the answer is 100% yes it is physically possible.

    The next question you need to ask is whether anyone would want to destroy an American city with a nuke. Again, the answer is 100% yes.

    I’ll leave it there for now because I don’t want to move too fast for you.

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    Re: Sea-based Missile Defense Flight Test Results in Successful Intercept

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    As for the risk, all you need to ask yourself is whether it is physically possible for someone to launch a nuclear armed missile at a major US city. Obviously the answer is 100% yes it is physically possible.

    The next question you need to ask is whether anyone would want to destroy an American city with a nuke. Again, the answer is 100% yes.
    The issue here is the nuclear threat. The vehicle of delivery is only relevant inasmuch as it guides our preparations to prevent it from happening. It is far more likely to be delivered by terrorists in a semi, than by a foreign government on an ICBM. It is also far easier and cheaper to substantially reduce the risk of that threat. Our military and/or homeland security does not and never will have the resources to provide 100% protection against every possible threat, so we must focus our resources on those areas where we are likely to save the most lives for the least cost. And that certainly is not a missile defense system.
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    Re: Sea-based Missile Defense Flight Test Results in Successful Intercept

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    I don’t know what rock you live on but you are about to pick a fight you can’t win.

    I wasn’t talking about the government passing military grade secretes to China, I was talking about corporations passing military secrets for profit. You need to back up and check the dialogue or I’m going to open a can of humiliation on you my friend.
    Hello?

    You're thinking maybe MIRV technology wasn't a military secret? If it was open source technology, then explain why the Chinese didn't already have it? They've been engaged in a decades long program of industrial espionage. Also, Loral did it for commercial advantage and it had the added benefit of political cronyism, too.

    There's a reason why the Chinese Long March II rocket was called, Before Loral, the Long Shot II. All of us working in the space industry are aware of what Loral did.

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    Re: Sea-based Missile Defense Flight Test Results in Successful Intercept

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    The issue here is the nuclear threat. The vehicle of delivery is only relevant inasmuch as it guides our preparations to prevent it from happening. It is far more likely to be delivered by terrorists in a semi, than by a foreign government on an ICBM. It is also far easier and cheaper to substantially reduce the risk of that threat. Our military and/or homeland security does not and never will have the resources to provide 100% protection against every possible threat, so we must focus our resources on those areas where we are likely to save the most lives for the least cost. And that certainly is not a missile defense system.
    I’m not sure what your logic is here but let me ask you a simple question. Hopefully you have enough integrity to answer it rather that play games and avoid it.


    If the US could develop a system that could/would detect and neutralize a truck, ship, car, briefcase or any other device that might cause a nuclear explosion in the USA, would you support efforts to develop the ability to neutralize such threats?

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    Re: Sea-based Missile Defense Flight Test Results in Successful Intercept

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    The issue here is the nuclear threat. The vehicle of delivery is only relevant inasmuch as it guides our preparations to prevent it from happening. It is far more likely to be delivered by terrorists in a semi, than by a foreign government on an ICBM. It is also far easier and cheaper to substantially reduce the risk of that threat. Our military and/or homeland security does not and never will have the resources to provide 100% protection against every possible threat, so we must focus our resources on those areas where we are likely to save the most lives for the least cost. And that certainly is not a missile defense system.
    Yeah, you can ignore the fact that delivery mode is the enemy's choice.

    The enemy isn't going to ignore it.

    It may be cheaper and easier to nuke Long Beach via containership, but if the US had agents personally inspecting all containers in their ports of origin and literally escorting each one to it's destination, then the enemy would choose to hire or steal a civillian cigarette boat to deliver the weapon from an off shore transfer, or ...

    ...

    ooo...maybe it's practical to launch the thing on a missile. After all, close does count when playing atom bombs.

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    Re: Sea-based Missile Defense Flight Test Results in Successful Intercept

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    Iím not sure what your logic is here but let me ask you a simple question. Hopefully you have enough integrity to answer it rather that play games and avoid it.


    If the US could develop a system that could/would detect and neutralize a truck, ship, car, briefcase or any other device that might cause a nuclear explosion in the USA, would you support efforts to develop the ability to neutralize such threats?
    Sure, assuming that there weren't other ways of neutralizing threats that were even MORE cost effective, relative to the risk and the consequences. Guarding against nuclear terrorism would certainly be a step up from a missile defense shield.
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    Re: Sea-based Missile Defense Flight Test Results in Successful Intercept

    Quote Originally Posted by scourge99 View Post
    If an American defense company did this they would be blacklisted and gutted with fines and imprisonment. The death penalty is also on the table for treason.

    Major defense contractors take ITAR very very very seriously.
    International Traffic in Arms Regulations - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Unless they can get a technology export waiver from the Clinton administration... The separation system technology Loral handed to China was ITAR protected.

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    Re: Sea-based Missile Defense Flight Test Results in Successful Intercept

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Sure, assuming that there weren't other ways of neutralizing threats that were even MORE cost effective, relative to the risk and the consequences. Guarding against nuclear terrorism would certainly be a step up from a missile defense shield.
    Unless the incoming threat was incoming at Mach 15 from 800 miles away....

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