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    Re: Sea-based Missile Defense Flight Test Results in Successful Intercept

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    Ok, what do you love about America?
    Freedom of speech, freedom of religion, our cultural diversity, democracy, our republic, our land, the idea that we will always have a say in this country, our constitution... Do you seriously want me to say more?


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    Re: Sea-based Missile Defense Flight Test Results in Successful Intercept

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    Thanks for the inaccurate opinion. The government, which you love and trust whole heartedly because you are a liberal, disagrees with you.
    Oh I can already tell that you're going to be a mental giant.
    Arguing that we should do X, Y, and Z strictly because the government says so is ****ing retarded.

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    Oh, news flash for the politically numb: the threat isn’t one dimensional. We live in the same four dimensional world that those who want to kill us live in. Thank God you aren’t in charge of defending America.
    We need to do a cost/benefit analysis of these sort of things. The risk of another nation attacking us with ICBMs (and that the system successfully shoots them down) is exceedingly low. The risk of a terrorist group attacking us with nuclear weapons is much, much higher. A missile defense system is an extraordinary waste of money relative to the actual risk that we face from a nation-state firing missiles at us.

    But I suppose that as long as there are people like you who are willing to shriek loudly about any threat, however remote, the possibilities of the government actually conducting (and using) a risk analysis are slim to none.
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    Re: Sea-based Missile Defense Flight Test Results in Successful Intercept

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Missile defense systems are the most idiotic waste of taxpayer money imaginable. These kind of programs should be the first thing on the chopping block when we're looking at budget cuts. The threat from nuclear weapons doesn't come from nation-states with ICBMs, it comes from terrorists smuggling them into New York Harbor.
    You mean that it would be more cost effective to rebuild New York City and repopulate it with clones of the people murdered in a ten megaton blast than to invest in the technology needed to protect the people in the first place.

    you're also neglecting the fact that irrational nations like North Korea and Iran are working their asses off to develop viable weapons delivery systems for the nuclear weapons they are building.

    Then there's the very good chance of a new caliphate arising in the Midde East.

    So, you don't want the nation to drill it's own oil domestically and you don't want the nation to develop the defenses against nuclear missiles. What should the United States do when the Middle East plays "Jimmy Carter Reprise" and shuts down the oil, and decides that this would be a good time to test their new rockets out?

    When the flames are lit under the bomb, it's too late to start researching how to shoot it down.

    Unfortunately for whatever your desires are, and Obama's, the United States has developed an amazingly functional 747-based laser system for shooting down incoming presents, and it's also developing other systems as well, becuase the first priorty of the Constitution is the defense of the nation, not denial.

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    Re: Sea-based Missile Defense Flight Test Results in Successful Intercept

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    We need to do a cost/benefit analysis of these sort of things.
    Okay, let's.

    Cost of replacing New York City: Ten trillion dollars.

    Cost of replacing New York City's population: Priceless.

    Cost of protecting New York from ICBMs: $100 billion give or take some.

    Chances of terrorists (or, "freedom fighters" for you, since you like to pretend that the word "terrorist" is only applied to people we don't like. The Mayor won't like people who attack New York with atom bombs, but the Mayor isn't willing to presume for your position) stealing or being given a nuclear missile to play with is greater than zero.

    Chances of an upstart nation with new toys being willing to attack a prostrate US? Good.

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    Re: Sea-based Missile Defense Flight Test Results in Successful Intercept

    Quote Originally Posted by Mayor Snorkum View Post
    You mean that it would be more cost effective to rebuild New York City and repopulate it with clones of the people murdered in a ten megaton blast than to invest in the technology needed to protect the people in the first place.
    Nope, I'm saying that it would be more cost-effective to take all that money we're spending on a retarded missile defense system, and instead increase port security, combat nuclear proliferation, and improve intelligence gathering so that we aren't the victims of a nuclear terrorist attack.

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    you're also neglecting the fact that irrational nations like North Korea and Iran are working their asses off to develop viable weapons delivery systems for the nuclear weapons they are building.
    It doesn't change the fact that they aren't going to strike the United States with nuclear weapons. With both of those countries (as well as Pakistan), the greatest nuclear threat comes from the possibility of nukes ending up in the hands of terrorists as a result of political instability.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mayor Snorkum
    Then there's the very good chance of a new caliphate arising in the Midde East.


    Quote Originally Posted by Mayor Snorkum
    So, you don't want the nation to drill it's own oil domestically
    I'm not sure where I said that, but umm, OK...

    Quote Originally Posted by Mayor Snorkum
    What should the United States do when the Middle East plays "Jimmy Carter Reprise" and shuts down the oil, and decides that this would be a good time to test their new rockets out?
    What in the **** does a missile defense shield have to do with the Middle East shutting down oil? Are you just throwing out random cliches you heard on television in the last 30 minutes, and hoping that some of them are somehow relevant to the subject at hand?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mayor Snorkum
    When the flames are lit under the bomb, it's too late to start researching how to shoot it down.

    Unfortunately for whatever your desires are, and Obama's, the United States has developed an amazingly functional 747-based laser system for shooting down incoming presents, and it's also developing other systems as well, becuase the first priorty of the Constitution is the defense of the nation, not denial.
    The defense of the nation would be better served by focusing on things that are actually threats.
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    Re: Sea-based Missile Defense Flight Test Results in Successful Intercept

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Freedom of speech, freedom of religion, our cultural diversity, democracy, our republic, our land, the idea that we will always have a say in this country, our constitution... Do you seriously want me to say more?
    Socialism threatens all that.

    The "Progressives" under Wilson jailed Eugene Deb (a socialist out of favor with the empowered socialists) for daring to exercise his First Amendment freedoms in protest of the war the Progressive socialists insisted on dragging the United States into.

    Deb lost his freedom.

    The nation's constitution did not protect him, so that was lost.

    His freedom of speech was denied.

    As an ex felon, Deb lost his vote, ie, his right to have a say in the direction of the country.

    Ergo, he lost his democracy.

    It's not necessary to say any more.

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    Re: Sea-based Missile Defense Flight Test Results in Successful Intercept

    Quote Originally Posted by Mayor Snorkum View Post
    Okay, let's.

    Cost of replacing New York City: Ten trillion dollars.

    Cost of replacing New York City's population: Priceless.

    Cost of protecting New York from ICBMs: $100 billion give or take some.
    Close enough so far.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mayor Snorkum
    Chances of terrorists (or, "freedom fighters" for you, since you like to pretend that the word "terrorist" is only applied to people we don't like. The Mayor won't like people who attack New York with atom bombs, but the Mayor isn't willing to presume for your position) stealing or being given a nuclear missile to play with is greater than zero.
    So we should defend against THAT threat.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mayor Snorkum
    Chances of an upstart nation with new toys being willing to attack a prostrate US? Good.
    Why do you think the chance of "an upstart nation with new toys being willing to attack" the US is good? Because you saw a really supercool movie about it?
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    Re: Sea-based Missile Defense Flight Test Results in Successful Intercept

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Nope, I'm saying that it would be more cost-effective to take all that money we're spending on a retarded missile defense system, and instead increase port security, combat nuclear proliferation, and improve intelligence gathering so that we aren't the victims of a nuclear terrorist attack.
    Funny, that.

    It's been noted that the terrorists are not stupid, just barbaric.

    They study us and strike our weaknesses. If we choose to select one mode of attack for defense and ignore the other, the enemy will choose the open door.

    That arithmetic doesn't take a college diploma in double-speak to figure out.

    It doesn't change the fact that they aren't going to strike the United States with nuclear weapons. With both of those countries (as well as Pakistan), the greatest nuclear threat comes from the possibility of nukes ending up in the hands of terrorists as a result of political instability.
    Did Allah write you a telegram promising you that his prophets won't attack the United States with the holy cleansing fire of fusing hydrogen? You stated a fact, what's your basis?

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    Re: Sea-based Missile Defense Flight Test Results in Successful Intercept

    Quote Originally Posted by Mayor Snorkum View Post
    Funny, that.

    It's been noted that the terrorists are not stupid, just barbaric.

    They study us and strike our weaknesses. If we choose to select one mode of attack for defense and ignore the other, the enemy will choose the open door.

    That arithmetic doesn't take a college diploma in double-speak to figure out.
    Where is a ragtag group of terrorists going to get an ICBM, much less the capability and knowhow to actually target it and fire it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mayor Snorkum
    Did Allah write you a telegram promising you that his prophets won't attack the United States with the holy cleansing fire of fusing hydrogen? You stated a fact, what's your basis?
    Yes. Allah telegrammed me. Exactly correct.
    Aaaaaand another moron goes on my ignore list.
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    Re: Sea-based Missile Defense Flight Test Results in Successful Intercept

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Freedom of speech, freedom of religion, our cultural diversity, democracy, our republic, our land, the idea that we will always have a say in this country, our constitution... Do you seriously want me to say more?
    Nope, that is good enough for me. I'll never ask you again.

    "Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought."
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    It would seem that the constitution is just a god damn piece of paper, to be trotted out when expedient.

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