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    Re: Judge dismisses one of three lawsuits on Wisconsin law

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I think the majority of people aren't against teacher unions. They're against the payscale, benefits and tenure that teachers unions are able to negotiate at the bargaining table thanks to their Democratic patrons. This is more about taxpayers being unable to afford these payscales and benefits than it is about teachers 'unions themselves.
    I think you're part right, but the hate does seem to go a little beyond that. The rethoric concerning teachers as compared to tax hikes for those poor, poor wealthy corporations has been stark. It seems wealthy folk can do what's best for their bottom line, often at our expense, but teachers, damn them, are evil for even considering worrying about their lives and future.

    Yes, there is a bit of sarcasim there.

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    Re: Judge dismisses one of three lawsuits on Wisconsin law

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I think you're part right, but the hate does seem to go a little beyond that. The rethoric concerning teachers as compared to tax hikes for those poor, poor wealthy corporations has been stark. It seems wealthy folk can do what's best for their bottom line, often at our expense, but teachers, damn them, are evil for even considering worrying about their lives and future.

    Yes, there is a bit of sarcasim there.
    I agree with you, Boo. I've always wanted to call someone Boo. We've got to straighten out our corporate income tax structure. No question. That GE paid no corporate income tax is just simply ludircous. But the difference is that our bottom lines aren't effected by those corporate tax structures in a direct and easily comparable way. These are really two different issues: the power of teachers' unions; corporate tax structures. Both need fixing. It's easier for us to see how the power of teachers' unions effect us - at least in Illinois where our schools are funded by property taxes.
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    Re: Judge dismisses one of three lawsuits on Wisconsin law

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Can't speak for the European countries, but I am pretty sure South Korea, Japan and I know for sure Taiwan (which is NOT on this list, but also exceeds U.S. achievement in reading, math, and science) do NOT have strong teacher's unions. Then again, kids in the three countries spend inordinate amounts of time in school in addition to several hours a day in cram schools...
    You realize two of those countries have astronomically high suicide rates among their youth, right?

    Although, I would totally love to make the US education system a lot more like the Japanese.

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    Re: Judge dismisses one of three lawsuits on Wisconsin law

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    I'm sorry, I'm still waiting for one of your buddies in this thread to explain why teachers contribute nothing to society and another to explain why practically socialist countries with extensive teacher unions have better education systems than us. I can totally tell that I am the one with crappy logic.
    We keep throwing good money after bad ideas. The problem with our education system is systemic, and can be resolved with innovation, competition and a focus on education not social feel good bull****.
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    Re: Judge dismisses one of three lawsuits on Wisconsin law

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    The problem with our education system is systemic, and can be resolved with innovation, competition and a focus on education not social feel good bull****.
    Nice vague rhetoric. Do you want to name any specifics or just throw out flashy action words to make it look like you have ideas?

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    Re: Judge dismisses one of three lawsuits on Wisconsin law

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Nice vague rhetoric. Do you want to name any specifics or just throw out flashy action words to make it look like you have ideas?
    Do a search friend, I detailed exactly how I'd reform education. It starts with abolishing the Dept. of Education and privatizing the school system.
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    Re: Judge dismisses one of three lawsuits on Wisconsin law

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Do a search friend, I detailed exactly how I'd reform education. It starts with abolishing the Dept. of Education and privatizing the school system.
    Could you name any country in the world that has a completely privatized education system that is better than the one we have now?

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    Re: Judge dismisses one of three lawsuits on Wisconsin law

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Actually Taiwan does not rank higher in reading than the US. It ranks higher in math. The list I posted is only reading.
    You may be looking at a different list... The last list I saw (admittedly from two years ago) had Taiwan higher than the US on all three... not that this is relevant to the point I was making...
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    Re: Judge dismisses one of three lawsuits on Wisconsin law

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I agree with you, Boo. I've always wanted to call someone Boo. We've got to straighten out our corporate income tax structure. No question. That GE paid no corporate income tax is just simply ludircous. But the difference is that our bottom lines aren't effected by those corporate tax structures in a direct and easily comparable way. These are really two different issues: the power of teachers' unions; corporate tax structures. Both need fixing. It's easier for us to see how the power of teachers' unions effect us - at least in Illinois where our schools are funded by property taxes.
    My sister and her family live in Ill. Just south of Chicago. My understanding is that the state has far larger problems than education. But I haven't investigated too deeply.

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    Re: Judge dismisses one of three lawsuits on Wisconsin law

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Could you name any country in the world that has a completely privatized education system that is better than the one we have now?
    Nice dodge, see you in the relevant thread or not at all.
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