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    Re: Judge dismisses one of three lawsuits on Wisconsin law

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    They publicly and openly conceded. Walker on the other hand pays his employees top dollar arguing that he needs to do so in order to get the best people while demanding cuts in pay for teachers and public employees. That is lip service and hypocrisy.
    They gave lip service. When given the opportunity to show good faith (Madison contracts), they epic failed. Paying teachers more does NOT make them better teachers. You must have missed that class.
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    Re: Judge dismisses one of three lawsuits on Wisconsin law

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    So what is the "typical American" according to CriticalThought? I bet it is based on opinion with no evidence at all.
    Just watch any tea party rally video.

    I showed you what you asked for. You thought no one could answer it. The truth is anyone could, I just got to it first and it still stands as correct information based on fact.
    Oh come on. I knew anyone could answer it. I just wanted you to post it so I could prove a point.

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    Re: Judge dismisses one of three lawsuits on Wisconsin law

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    They gave lip service. When given the opportunity to show good faith (Madison contracts), they epic failed. Paying teachers more does NOT make them better teachers. You must have missed that class.
    And yet Walker argues that he has to pay people more in order to get the best people? I'm confused, does paying people more get you the best people or have no effect at all? By the standard in Wisconsin, the difference of whether paying more has any effect seems to be whether or not you are working for Walker.

    I have no idea what you are talking about "Madison contracts". Can you provide some news story or anything to back up your claims?
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    Re: Judge dismisses one of three lawsuits on Wisconsin law

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    And yet Walker argues that he has to pay people more in order to get the best people? I'm confused, does paying people more get you the best people or have no effect at all? By the standard in Wisconsin, the difference of whether paying more has any effect seems to be whether or not you are working for Walker.
    Making entry-level salaries more than competitive attracts better people. Paying a 20-year veteran teacher 20% more this year (hyperbolic example) doesn't change her teaching skills one itsy-bitsy bit.

    Madison Held Emergency Sessions to Pass All Union Contracts on Feb. 17

    On February 17, Madison Mayor Dave Ciezlewicz and the Madison Common Council voted to approve the extension of twelve labor contracts through 2012 in an emergency session. The process of approving labor contracts often takes days or weeks, but both Mayor Ceizlewicz and the Common Council agreed on the importance ensuring that “all employees can continue to receive current pension and health benefits for the next two years.” Following the vote to approve labor contracts, the Common Council marched to the Overture Center with representatives of the twelve unions to show “solidarity.”
    http://mediatrackers.org/2011/03/mad...cts-on-feb-17/
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    Re: Judge dismisses one of three lawsuits on Wisconsin law

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    Wow, a list of countries, most of which you would consider socialist by American standards. Exactly how many of those countries don't have teachers unions?

    You aren't making a very good case here.
    Can't speak for the European countries, but I am pretty sure South Korea, Japan and I know for sure Taiwan (which is NOT on this list, but also exceeds U.S. achievement in reading, math, and science) do NOT have strong teacher's unions. Then again, kids in the three countries spend inordinate amounts of time in school in addition to several hours a day in cram schools...
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    Re: Judge dismisses one of three lawsuits on Wisconsin law

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    Not from Democrats. Not on this issue.
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    Re: Judge dismisses one of three lawsuits on Wisconsin law

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    Just watch any tea party rally video.
    So now the Tea Party represents all of the US? Hmmm. Then I have no idea how President Obama got elected?

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    Oh come on. I knew anyone could answer it. I just wanted you to post it so I could prove a point.
    How did you know I was going to post it? Are you displaying your psychic ability's again?
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    Re: Judge dismisses one of three lawsuits on Wisconsin law

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Can't speak for the European countries, but I am pretty sure South Korea, Japan and I know for sure Taiwan (which is NOT on this list, but also exceeds U.S. achievement in reading, math, and science) do NOT have strong teacher's unions. Then again, kids in the three countries spend inordinate amounts of time in school in addition to several hours a day in cram schools...
    Actually Taiwan does not rank higher in reading than the US. It ranks higher in math. The list I posted is only reading.
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    Re: Judge dismisses one of three lawsuits on Wisconsin law

    In a House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, Rep. Dennis Kucinich (D-OH) asked Gov. Scott Walker (R-WI) a couple of questions about his recent union-busting tactics.

    One was, how much money would your proposal that would require unions to hold annual votes to continue representing their own members save for your state budget? After a little rhetoric meant to misdirect, Kucinich interrupted to again ask how much money would it save his state? Walker answered "It doesn't save any". Nonfiscal union-busting tactic.

    Another question was about how much money the plan to prohibit payroll deduction of union member dues save the state budget? After aother round of political double-speak from Walker in which he wouldn't answer the question, Kucinich presented a document from the the Wisconsin Legislative Fiscal Bureau, the state’s equivalent of the Congressional Budget Office. The document from the LFB concluded that Walker’s measures were nonfiscal, meaning it had no effect on the state budget. Nonfiscal union-busting tactic.


    “We just simply don’t know how to govern” - Rep. Steve Womack (R-AR) a member of the House Budget Committee

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