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    Re: Judge dismisses one of three lawsuits on Wisconsin law

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    And that's just in reading. We rank allot lower in math and a little lower in science.
    Wow, a list of countries, most of which you would consider socialist by American standards. Exactly how many of those countries don't have teachers unions?

    You aren't making a very good case here.

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    Re: Judge dismisses one of three lawsuits on Wisconsin law

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Which is why you fail to understand what's really going if that's your "logic"
    I'm sorry, I'm still waiting for one of your buddies in this thread to explain why teachers contribute nothing to society and another to explain why practically socialist countries with extensive teacher unions have better education systems than us. I can totally tell that I am the one with crappy logic.

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    Re: Judge dismisses one of three lawsuits on Wisconsin law

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    I'm sorry, I'm still waiting for one of your buddies in this thread to explain why teachers contribute nothing to society and another to explain why practically socialist countries with extensive teacher unions have better education systems than us. I can totally tell that I am the one with crappy logic.
    I think the majority of people aren't against teacher unions. They're against the payscale, benefits and tenure that teachers unions are able to negotiate at the bargaining table thanks to their Democratic patrons. This is more about taxpayers being unable to afford these payscales and benefits than it is about teachers 'unions themselves.
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    Re: Judge dismisses one of three lawsuits on Wisconsin law

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Wow, a list of countries, most of which you would consider socialist by American standards. Exactly how many of those countries don't have teachers unions?

    You aren't making a very good case here.
    Most of those are not socialist country's by any means. As usual you fail with your assumptions.

    I have no idea which have unions and which don't as that was NOT the question you asked. You asked...

    Really? Compared to who? as in the teachers contributions to society.

    So I have correctly pointed out how low we are on the education ladder compared to other mostly Western nations.

    So you have no case here at all. I mean really a red herring. So typical.
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    Re: Judge dismisses one of three lawsuits on Wisconsin law

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Most of those are not socialist country's by any means. As usual you fail with your assumptions.
    By the typical American standards they are socialist. I'm still waiting to hear how those countries eradicated teacher's unions and completely privatized their education. As far as you not asking, go read the original graphic I posted in this thread. You are the only one who is being irrelevant.

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    Re: Judge dismisses one of three lawsuits on Wisconsin law

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    They're against the payscale, benefits and tenure that teachers unions are able to negotiate at the bargaining table thanks to their Democratic patrons. This is more about taxpayers being unable to afford these payscales and benefits than it is about teachers 'unions themselves.
    Oh really? Is that why Walker still went through and sought to break the unions even after they conceded the financial aspects of the bill? Nope, not gonna buy it. This is just a war on unions meant to shift blame off of Wall Street.
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    Re: Judge dismisses one of three lawsuits on Wisconsin law

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    ...This is more about taxpayers being unable to afford these payscales and benefits than it is about teachers 'unions themselves.
    ding ding ding ding... we have a winner!

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    Re: Judge dismisses one of three lawsuits on Wisconsin law

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Oh really? Is that why Walker still went through and sought to break the unions even after they conceded the financial aspects of the bill? Nope, not gonna buy it. This is just a war on unions meant to shift blame off of Wall Street.
    They did not concede anything. They gave it lip service. In fact, Madison negotiated and signed contracts in emergency session while the Dems left the state -- with no concessions at all.
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    Re: Judge dismisses one of three lawsuits on Wisconsin law

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    They did not concede anything. They gave it lip service. In fact, Madison negotiated and signed contracts in emergency session while the Dems left the state -- with no concessions at all.
    They publicly and openly conceded.

    Walker on the other hand pays his employees top dollar arguing that he needs to do so in order to get the best people while demanding cuts in pay for teachers and public employees. That is lip service and hypocrisy.

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    Re: Judge dismisses one of three lawsuits on Wisconsin law

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    By the typical American standards they are socialist.
    So what is the "typical American" according to CriticalThought? I bet it is based on opinion with no evidence at all.

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    I'm still waiting to hear how those countries eradicated teacher's unions and completely privatized their education.
    Well since that had nothing to do with your comment or my reply you may be waiting a long time. Don't hold your breath.

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    As far as you not asking, go read the original graphic I posted in this thread. You are the only one who is being irrelevant.
    I showed you what you asked for. You thought no one could answer it. The truth is anyone could, I just got to it first and it still stands as correct information based on fact.
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