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Texas Legislature considers banning courts from recognizing foreign religious, cultural laws | ...

Another idiotic right wing state. And they base this suggested law because of Newt Gingrinch it seems, who floated the lie about Dearborn, Michigan and a disorderly conduct arrest of some Christian wackos at an Arab International Fest.

Now the cracker was this article

Dearborn cited in effort to pass anti-Sharia law in Texas - News - Press and Guide

Gingrich backtracked on his statement when questioned by local media and Rep. Berman himself acknowledged knowing nothing about Dearborn.

“I heard it on a radio station here on my way in to the Capitol one day,” Berman said Monday in an interview. “I don’t know Dearborn, Michigan but I heard it (Sharia is accepted law here) on the radio. Isn’t that true?”
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So here we have a law which is based in large part on fear, fear drummed up by a lie the moron and known liar Newt Gingrich, and one of the backers of the Texas bill, a Republican of course, "heard it on the radio" hence it must be true.

The IQ of some of the present crop of right wing politicians must be just above or around 70....
 
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I wonder if that includes any aspects of American law taken from English law.
 
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Bruce said:
I wonder if that includes any aspects of American law taken from English law.
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Of course it does, plus everything lifted from the Bible....
 
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How ****ing stupid can people be? I understand some **** on the internet listening to Rush Limbaugh and taking everything as fact but a state representative?
 
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Stupid is as stupid does I guess.
 
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This has been tried before and struck down by the courts. This law, if passed, will most likely share a similar fate.
 
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What the hell can you even consider "foreign" in this country? We have people from literally every single race, religion, culture, or upbringing you could possibly think of.

*sigh* Yet another right-wing fabrication that just wont die because it makes all the blog/talk radio/Fox News/email rounds and becomes Truth*

*Truth may not actually be true
 
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Deuce said:
What the hell can you even consider "foreign" in this country?
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Not Western European White.
 
Re: Texas Legislature considers banning courts from recognizing foreign religious, cu

These kind of blatantly xenophobic laws exemplify the ugliest aspect of politics. :doh
 
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Deuce said:
What the hell can you even consider "foreign" in this country? We have people from literally every single race, religion, culture, or upbringing you could possibly think of.

*sigh* Yet another right-wing fabrication that just wont die because it makes all the blog/talk radio/Fox News/email rounds and becomes Truth*

*Truth may not actually be true
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Sharia Law.............
 
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Ikari said:
This has been tried before and struck down by the courts. This law, if passed, will most likely share a similar fate.
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The only way a court can strike down a law, is if someone's rights have been directly violated by that law. This law doesn't do that.
 
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There is in fact a movement among members of the Muslim community to have recognition of Sharia law as an option in civil court. If all those concerned freely choose to have their civil disputes decided on by a court with different rules that is perfectly fine. As long as the secular option is the default I see no issue with it.
 
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This is actually a quite necessary piece of legislation. Given the growing number of justices seeking guidance outside of the the local and federal laws, it is good to clarify the scope of the judicial branches powers.
 
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apdst said:
Sharia Law.............
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I would also like them to ban the use of laws from fictional places like the planet Klingon, the Star Wars Empire, Mordor and Liliput.

Those places all had some rotten laws. I wouldn't want the courts using those either.
 
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ksu_aviator said:
This is actually a quite necessary piece of legislation. Given the growing number of justices seeking guidance outside of the the local and federal laws, it is good to clarify the scope of the judicial branches powers.
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I highly suspect that w/e it is you're talking about is an exaggeration.
 
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PeteEU said:
Texas Legislature considers banning courts from recognizing foreign religious, cultural laws | ...

Another idiotic right wing state. And they base this suggested law because of Newt Gingrinch it seems, who floated the lie about Dearborn, Michigan and a disorderly conduct arrest of some Christian wackos at an Arab International Fest.

Now the cracker was this article

Dearborn cited in effort to pass anti-Sharia law in Texas - News - Press and Guide



So here we have a law which is based in large part on fear, fear drummed up by a lie the moron and known liar Newt Gingrich, and one of the backers of the Texas bill, a Republican of course, "heard it on the radio" hence it must be true.

The IQ of some of the present crop of right wing politicians must be just above or around 70....
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I have no problem with a law that bans judges from citing laws that are not on our books and foreign court cases. This should be applied on the federal level as well.
 
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apdst said:
Sharia Law.............
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There's no such thing as "Sharia Law" in an American legal context. There's laws implemented by our normal legislative process and then there is...

Well, nothing, really.

Besides, if Muslims live in the United States, how could you even call their religion "foreign?" How come Christianity and Judaism get a pass?

edit: Other than being xenophobic, I mean.
 
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ksu_aviator said:
This is actually a quite necessary piece of legislation. Given the growing number of justices seeking guidance outside of the the local and federal laws, it is good to clarify the scope of the judicial branches powers.
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Show evidence of this "growing number."

apdst said:
The only way a court can strike down a law, is if someone's rights have been directly violated by that law. This law doesn't do that.
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Erm, no, this isn't true.
 
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ksu_aviator said:
Judge orders use of Islamic law in Tampa lawsuit over mosque leadership - St. Petersburg Times
US judge rejects Google?s settlement with publishers - Boston.com
SQ 755 follow-up bill dies in committee » Local News » The Edmond Sun
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Only one of those three links could even be considered an answer to what I asked for, and that one was an internal dispute in a mosque involving who is named as trustee of the place. The second was a copyright/antitrust case that I can't fathom how would possibly fit here, and the third was just some other state trying to do the same thing as Texas here.

So. One. You've got one. Barely.
 
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Deuce said:
Show evidence of this "growing number."



Erm, no, this isn't true.
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Oh? Prove it.
 
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Demon of Light said:
There is in fact a movement among members of the Muslim community to have recognition of Sharia law as an option in civil court. If all those concerned freely choose to have their civil disputes decided on by a court with different rules that is perfectly fine. As long as the secular option is the default I see no issue with it.
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So, it a man chops off his daughter's head, claiming the right to do so according to his religion, you'll be cool with him walking on the murder charges?
 
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apdst said:
So, it a man chops off his daughter's head, claiming the right to do so according to his religion, you'll be cool with him walking on the murder charges?
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And this has happened in the US when?
It is likely to happen in the US when?

When has anything even remotely similar to the situation you've described ever happened in the US?
When have we allowed decapitators to walk because of religious grounds?

The above doesn't strike you as a far-fetched and hysterical worry?
 
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apdst said:
So, it a man chops off his daughter's head, claiming the right to do so according to his religion, you'll be cool with him walking on the murder charges?
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Since when was murder a civil matter in the USA?
 
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Looking into this more there is some legitimacy to the demand for legislation:

A New Jersey family court judge's decision not to grant a restraining order to a woman who was sexually abused by her Moroccan husband and forced repeatedly to have sex with him is sounding the alarm for advocates of laws designed to ban Shariah in America.

Judge Joseph Charles, in denying the restraining order to the woman after her divorce, ruled that her ex-husband felt he had behaved according to his Muslim beliefs -- and that he did not have "criminal desire to or intent to sexually assault" his wife.
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Source: Fox News

Obviously some judges need to be explicitly told that religious law is not legitimate in secular court.

apdst said:
So, it a man chops off his daughter's head, claiming the right to do so according to his religion, you'll be cool with him walking on the murder charges?
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I said civil court, not criminal court.
 
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